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Title: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: VictorE on September 29, 2018, 02:56:38 PM
Winter Mage War 2 in Champaign, IL on Saturday, January 26th.

Information about Winter War Gaming Convention - https://www.winterwar.org/ (https://www.winterwar.org/) There is usually plenty of parking and there are plenty of places to eat in the area. The convention runs from Friday through Sunday, and we registered for a Saturday tournament.

Overview

Ruleset

That's all I can think of right now. I'll post an update as I know more. We really hope you can make it if you are in the area.

Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: wtcannonjr on September 29, 2018, 03:11:12 PM
How are you handling the different rules between Academy and Arena? For example,

Will Breeches equipment be allowed? Arena does not have a Breeches slot for Equipment spells.
What definition of Pest will be in play? Arena and Academy have different definitions for this trait.

The complete interaction of rules might be useful to specify for tournament play since the published Codex and current Rules Supplement don't seem to address all rules interactions.
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: Biblofilter on September 30, 2018, 07:31:58 AM
I think Restore need fixing.
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: zot on September 30, 2018, 06:44:16 PM
and consider the siren. given the tie breaker, siren is at a huge disadvantage.
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: farkas1 on September 30, 2018, 07:32:27 PM
I will double check with Virgel.   we talked earlier about keeping it the same as gencon rules wise with scoring points.  A win resulting in opponent death is 2 points. No deaths equal a tie and 1 point awarded to each player.

As far as academy to arena rules we are keeping a similar format and rules from last gencon and incorporating the same rule changes from the current ADMW tournament.  No promos allowed, Unless released in a set.

Academy cards work fine with arena except the select few ADMW has pointed out.  As far as pest trait we are keeping the standard ruling from the Arena codex.   Breeches slot is fine and translates to arena okay imo. 

We are working on swarm trait ruling for the tournament.  They maybe subject to change. 


I think that is all.  Super pumped for second year to have a tournament here!  Let us know if you are planning on attending.  We have 3 newer  players here that VictorE and I are training  so we should have more players participating this year! 
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: Puddnhead on October 01, 2018, 08:26:11 AM
I'm going to see if I can come compete. Is crash space available? :)
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: farkas1 on October 01, 2018, 09:09:22 AM
Yea definitely anyone wanting to go to winter war they can crash at my place.  Just PM me if you think you plan on staying the day before or day of the tourny.  I have a couch and a couple sparebeds   If we have more you might want to bring a blow up mattress or a sleeping bag.  If we have a good turn out and people want to game the night before or day after I could get some plastic tables and we could Mage wars it up at the house too!!!
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: Biblofilter on October 01, 2018, 10:57:55 AM
Sound like I need to go!!  8)
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: zot on October 02, 2018, 08:58:25 AM
I am planning on making it to defend my title. :)
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: Coshade on October 02, 2018, 08:17:52 PM
I might be able to make it. I'll know in December. Either way looks fun!
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: Jbuzzsaw79 on October 05, 2018, 09:35:42 AM
Do you have space or dose 16 fill fast, I will have vacation back and me and frI end of mine would head south to play
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: farkas1 on October 05, 2018, 12:01:19 PM
no need to be in a rush. Last year I donít think everyone registered until late November.  I think we could see the tournament fill up this year.  if that is the case both VictorE and I would just be Judges and sit out.  Or depending on space we could expand it.  I will have to check with VoctorE tho.  I know we have a good amount of people going  to Indy in a few weeks so it could be gauge on how many could be joining us at Winter War!!!

Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: wtcannonjr on October 05, 2018, 01:46:49 PM
no need to be in a rush. Last year I donít think everyone registered until late November.  I think we could see the tournament fill up this year.  if that is the case both VictorE and I would just be Judges and sit out.  Or depending on space we could expand it.  I will have to check with VoctorE tho.  I know we have a good amount of people going  to Indy in a few weeks so it could be gauge on how many could be joining us at Winter War!!!
I was wondering how you can Judge and participate in the same tournament? Don't you get an unfair advantage when you check each player's spellbook before play starts?
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: farkas1 on October 05, 2018, 04:59:35 PM
Yea that would not happen.  This year I believe I am judging and Virgel is participating.  In case there is too many players both of us would sit out and judge.  We never had a judge Particpate in a tournament and we will never have that happen in the future.  Good question sorry for any confusion.
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: wtcannonjr on October 06, 2018, 07:33:10 AM
Yea that would not happen.  This year I believe I am judging and Virgel is participating.  In case there is too many players both of us would sit out and judge.  We never had a judge Particpate in a tournament and we will never have that happen in the future.  Good question sorry for any confusion.
Thanks. I was hoping you had a good solution, since I find myself wanting to play in tournaments I run too. :)

Checking the physical spellbooks still seems like the best approach for a judge at this point.
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: DaveW on December 02, 2018, 12:05:47 AM
I officially am the first registered for Winter Mage War 2. See you all there!
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: farkas1 on December 02, 2018, 07:35:50 PM
Sweet Dave!!! Canít wait!!!!  Glad u can make it.  Again for people staying out of town I will provide my basement.  It is finished and carpeted.  One bed available.  Bring air mattresses and sleeping bags if u want to stay he night. We can play mage wars Friday or Sunday as well. I will set up some tables and chairs. 
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: zot on December 02, 2018, 10:38:13 PM
I am planning on making it. might take you up on the offer for the space too. we can decide as we get closer. dave and I can carpool over. I think also may bring another too. will keep you up to date as I know more.
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: DaveW on December 04, 2018, 11:40:17 PM
I am going to get a room at the hotel, if I can... I planned other events Friday and later Saturday night.
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: DaveW on December 04, 2018, 11:52:05 PM
Hey... the Net says that the Hawthorn Suites are permanently closed... where is this being held again?

Seems strange that I signed up for it, and didn't even notice where it was....
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: DaveW on December 05, 2018, 11:36:57 PM
Hey... the Net says that the Hawthorn Suites are permanently closed... where is this being held again?

I just found the note on the WW site that notes that the hotel will be open again in time for the con... you just have to call them to reserve a room since there is no web site to use to do so.
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: VictorE on December 06, 2018, 09:09:15 PM
Just a heads up that registration is now open for Winter War. https://www.winterwar.org/
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: VictorE on December 06, 2018, 09:22:02 PM
The Hawthorn Suites are located at 101 Trade Center Drive, Champaign, IL 61820, and can be reached by phone at (217) 398-3400. Mention that you are attending Winter War to learn about the convention room discount! This is the location of the event.

There are lots of other hotels in town though for booking rooms if needed. According to the Winter War website, Hotel Update
The Hawthorne Suites are still undergoing renovation, but will be ready for us in time for the convention, so no worries there. They don't currently have a website for you to book through, so if you want to reserve your room, please make sure to call them. You can find the phone number listed below.

I thought that it was becoming a Holiday Inn though. I'm not 100% confident that it is still Hawthorne Suites, It shows up on IHG (which is Holiday Inn I think). I talked to Susan though (one of the organizers) and the number is supposed to work for reservations at least.

https://www.winterwar.org/events/event/2328 for the Mage Wars info, Saturday, January 26th.
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: zot on December 07, 2018, 12:15:41 AM
any news on the rules, scoring, ties, legal sets and whether promos are allowed or not?

Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: farkas1 on December 17, 2018, 09:48:06 PM
Each player will play 4 tilmed 85 min matches
Win by killing mage is 2 points
Tie by time each player receives 1pt
Loss 0 pts


Final match top 2 players will compete for first place in a no time limit match
No promos
Every set that has been released thus far are considered legal (including academy  Elementalist and academy Druid)

Only rules modified will be The ADMW rulings of a few cards
Disciple of Radiance can only trigger ability once per turn. 

(Add the rest later)
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: zot on December 17, 2018, 11:33:26 PM
thanks farkas

I know several people who are planning on going. the Wisconsin crew is going. davew and I are going. coshade may be able to make it if puddn is able. some others are trying to get time available to make it too.
have not heard from the stl crew if they can make it yet or not. should be a great turnout and awesome time. really looking forward to it.

Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: kayofkayos on December 18, 2018, 03:44:08 PM
Have fun guys. Hope to see some footage from the event
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: zot on December 29, 2018, 02:22:00 PM
with cohsade coming, I think that is a real possibility.
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: farkas1 on January 15, 2019, 09:54:01 AM
Looking forward to Winter War!!! Less than two weeks away.  We have four registered but I know a lot of people register and signup when they get there.  I think we have 10-12 if everyone that says they are competing join us. 

We will game it up Friday night and Saturday after the event too if you stay the night at my place.  I have more room for people to Stay because  my wife and kiddos are going on a trip that same weekend.

So letís mage wars it up fellows!!!
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: zot on January 15, 2019, 02:36:44 PM
super stoked about the event too.
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: VictorE on January 16, 2019, 06:31:06 PM
Hey everyone,

Really looking forward to a great Winter Mage War 2. We've been working on books here in central Illinois, but I will not be playing, just judging.

I think Farkas already posted most of the information about the game play. The only additions are that we will try to have a 3rd/4th place match as well. The first round will be mostly random, but we try to let people play people that are not from their area, just so you get some games in with new players if possible. Otherwise, the only rules modifications are the same as ADMW. No promos. Any other cards out, including Academy are allowed. So expect some wands of fire and ice, maybe a bee or two too. You play one book for the whole tournament (unlike ADMW). There will be a sheet to write out your book to check the spellbook points. The actual event URL is https://www.winterwar.org/events/event/2328. We are supposed to have 4 tables, which should allow for 8 games at a time if they are the same tables from last year.

I picked up trophies for first and second last week. Funny thing there, I ordered them in 2018, so guess what year I put on the trophies. Still, we have trophies and a few prizes!

We usually have the tables most of the weekend, not just during out time, so there may be time for some fun games, maybe some domination. So bring more than just your tournament book. We played a couple of late games last year. Plus, there are a lot of other games going on. It's no GenCon, but it's surprising large.

Best,
V
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: DaveW on January 16, 2019, 11:16:24 PM
Can someone elaborate on what ADMW rules are? The only thing I saw mentioned was about Disciple of Radiance.
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: Puddnhead on January 17, 2019, 08:25:00 AM
Can someone elaborate on what ADMW rules are? The only thing I saw mentioned was about Disciple of Radiance.

Disciple of Radiance Text Change
Casting a Spell - Change to the end of the Pay Costs Step
Steep Hill
Force Pull
Trample

In my horrible Forum abilities, I give you a quote from the ADMW2 Open page. Hope it helps!
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: DaveW on January 17, 2019, 12:01:56 PM
Thanks for the quick assist. I am curious now... what is the difference between discarding and obliterating a spell?

If such a spell is bound to an object, does it become lost under these rules? Is the object that it is bound to affected at all?
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: iNano78 on January 17, 2019, 02:32:57 PM
Thanks for the quick assist. I am curious now... what is the difference between discarding and obliterating a spell?

If such a spell is bound to an object, does it become lost under these rules? Is the object that it is bound to affected at all?

Obliterated spells don't go to your discard pile. I assume this is to avoid shenanigans with Resurrection/Animate Dead to bring back a creature that was never in play.

I don't quite understand the Steep Hill clarification. What are "two diagonal sections of a zone"? Would this mean "two adjacent (orthogonal) edges of a zone?" e.g. would apply to a Range 3 spell that's "up 2 / over 1" or similar?
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: Puddnhead on January 17, 2019, 02:56:56 PM
iNano78 is correct. Under the "discard" system you could attempt to cast Adramelech on the first turn and "oops, I don't have enough mana". Next turn Animate Dead for half cost.

As for Steep Hill, it was pointed out that the rules only have it block line of sight through edges and not corners. Therefore anything that could target through opposite corners of Steep Hill's zone was technically not blocked by Steep Hill's rules.  Minor quibble, hardly ever comes up, but just in case...we clarified.
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: DaveW on January 17, 2019, 07:11:12 PM
Thanks everyone!

iNano78 is correct. Under the "discard" system you could attempt to cast Adramelech on the first turn and "oops, I don't have enough mana". Next turn Animate Dead for half cost.

Wow. Just... wow.

As for Steep Hill, it was pointed out that the rules only have it block line of sight through edges and not corners. Therefore anything that could target through opposite corners of Steep Hill's zone was technically not blocked by Steep Hill's rules.  Minor quibble, hardly ever comes up, but just in case...we clarified.

So it would have to be like a range four effect, from the corner zone to the hill to the opposite corner zone. That makes sense... though I can't think of anything that might make use of the ambiguity.
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: iNano78 on January 17, 2019, 08:06:19 PM
As for Steep Hill, it was pointed out that the rules only have it block line of sight through edges and not corners. Therefore anything that could target through opposite corners of Steep Hill's zone was technically not blocked by Steep Hill's rules.  Minor quibble, hardly ever comes up, but just in case...we clarified.

So it would have to be like a range four effect, from the corner zone to the hill to the opposite corner zone. That makes sense... though I can't think of anything that might make use of the ambiguity.

There are a handful of effects that require line of sight with no range restriction, like a Druid using a vine marker's zone as the target of a Vine spell, effectively bypassing the spell's range restriction. So rules as written, one could argue that perfectly diagonally across Steep Hill corner-to-corner had "tunnels" in an X that allowed LoS even though any other direction across Steep Hill (+) was opaque. Huh, never thought of anybody trying to argue that.
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: DaveW on January 28, 2019, 04:14:37 PM
Thanks for arranging the great fun for us this year.

Dave
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: VictorE on January 28, 2019, 06:37:22 PM
Results are in. First, we all had a lot of fun at this year's Winter Mage War (complete with snow this year). Many of us played for fun the day before and into the night after the event. We look forward to seeing more players next year.

1st - Stanyer playing a Wizard with a record of L W W W, taking the tie breaker against Farkas.
2nd - Farkas playing a Druid with a record of W W W L, taking the tie breaker against Zot.
3rd - Zot playing an Ax Warlock with a record of W W L W
4th - JBuzz playing a SW Beastmaster
5th Tie between
-- DaveW playing a Wizard
-- Pudding playing a Siren
7th Tie with the same record and a tie head-to-head
-- Brian C playing a Siren
-- Brian R playing a Forcemaster

Interesting Stats
- No one ended udefeated
- Two mages ran bee swarms, but no one ran 4 of them. I'll leave it to the mages who played them to let you know how they felt it went.
- Three games of 16 were ties due to time.
- We had one player who just learned how to play. The slower play led to two ties, but did not effect the final top outcomes. We were very pleased to see a new player at the event.
- We had players from Wisconsin, Missouri, Indiana, and Illinois

My thanks again to everyone who was able to make it.

Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: zot on January 28, 2019, 10:06:38 PM
thanks for hosting and running the event. thanks to all who made it. it was a great time. there were many who wanted to come but were not able due to life insisting on something else. congrats to stanyer for his win, and to farkas on second place finish.
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: Kelanen on January 29, 2019, 02:39:19 AM
Force Pull
  • Once per round, the Forcemaster may cast this quick Force spell. Target creature is Pushed 1 zone towards the source of this spell. Will not Push a creature through a wall with the Passage Attacks trait.

I know the question it's trying to answer, but I'm still not clear which way this wording falls...

Would it pull towards the FM or the Minds Eye?
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: iNano78 on January 29, 2019, 08:54:38 AM
Force Pull
  • Once per round, the Forcemaster may cast this quick Force spell. Target creature is Pushed 1 zone towards the source of this spell. Will not Push a creature through a wall with the Passage Attacks trait.

I know the question it's trying to answer, but I'm still not clear which way this wording falls...

Would it pull towards the FM or the Minds Eye?

If Mind's Eye is the source of the spell, then this ruling above makes it push towards Mind's Eye. See Mind's Eye text attached, which state's it becomes "the source of the spell."

As written on the Forcemaster's card, it pushes towards "her" = the Forcemaster who cast the spell (identified as "she" earlier in the card text).
Title: Re: Winter Mage War 2
Post by: Kelanen on January 29, 2019, 01:50:45 PM
Agreed, I know the arguments both ways (and have weighed in on which I think it should be), but as expressed above, it wasn't clear to me.

In fact, I agree I think it ought to pull towards Minds Eye, but Zuberi disagrees, which I expected to be the basis of any temporary ruling.