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Re: Semi novice Johktari Beastmaster, any good?
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2014, 04:53:56 AM »
This is the revised spellbook, after one more match it will hopefully need just one more tweak, and also i have just acquired Dragonclaw Wolverine and Oscuda so i would like to try them out.

Has anyone tried them maybe, any feedback?

I have cut down one the expensive creatures, and made some little tweaks in the enchantment, incantation and equipment areas.

Only thing i dont like is the rather large number of my equpment, but im not sure if i need to take some out cause it seems they are a necessity  :-\

Akul's BestiaryJohktari Beastmaster
Attack2 x  Hurl Boulder1 x  Jet StreamConjuration1 x  Lair2 x  Mana Flower2 x  Tanglevine1 x  Tooth & NailCreature2 x  Bitterwood Fox1 x  Cervere, The Forest Shadow1 x  Dire Wolf1 x  Emerald Tegu1 x  Galador, Protector of Straywood1 x  Steelclaw Grizzly1 x  Tarok, the Skyhunter2 x  Thunderift Falcon1 x  Timber WolfEnchantment1 x  Akiro's Favor2 x  Bear Strength1 x  Block1 x  Falcon Precision1 x  Harmonize1 x  Hawkeye1 x  Lion Savagery1 x  Marked for Death1 x  Mongoose Agility2 x  Nullify1 x  Pacify1 x  Regrowth2 x  Reverse Magic1 x  Reverse Attack2 x  Rhino HideEquipment1 x  Bearskin1 x  Deflection Bracers1 x  Elemental Cloak1 x  Enchanter's Ring1 x  Ivarium Longbow1 x  Leather Boots1 x  Leather Gloves1 x  Regrowth Belt1 x  Ring of Beasts1 x  Staff of Beasts1 x  Reflex Boots1 x  Sunfire AmuletIncantation3 x  Dispel2 x  Dissolve1 x  Teleport1 x  Rouse the Beast
Total cost: 120 pts
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Re: Semi novice Johktari Beastmaster, any good?
« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2014, 10:38:17 AM »
Don't cut Timber Wolves. If anything, add more.

As for the Wolverine, if you want to focus on a Bleed strategy I would probably go with 3 Dire Wolves and a Wolverine (and a pair of Poisoned Blood). Consider using Bull Endurance on the Wolverine to keep it alive without losing Rage. I don't normally like Bull Endurance as much as other options, but with the Wolverine adding armor or healing isn't nearly as efficient because of the way his rage ability works.

more Timber Wolfs not less

If you want to try the Wolverine and go with the Bleed Strategy you might use Idol of Pestilence and Staff of Beast, that should get the Rage going and keep everybody bleeding, and you can still heal Wolverine/Dire Wolfs


To me it seems that your book has mana troubles - cast lair+harmonize then get Cervere, Galador and a Steelclaw Grizzly out - you have expensive equipment in the 6-9 range and your Reverse Magic/Attack need you to keep 5 mana. The Ring of Beast suggest that you cast creatures from both the lair and yourself.

Your creature base is not very good for a Lair build. Bridge Trolls can't be played by the Lair at all, and Steelclaw Grizzly, Galador, and Cervere are too expensive to work that well with the Lair. You can run one or two, but you would be much better off skewing your creature base more towards level 1-3 animals.

2 Block, 2 Reverse Attack, 2 Nullify, and 2 Reverse Magic is too much. They're expensive to include, and once your opponent's realize how much you play that kind of thing, they can focus on efficiently countering those spells when they see you playing face down enchantments. Flameblast is particularly strong against Block/Reverse Attack.

For a Lair build, Group Heal may make more sense than Heal.

You have limited ability to deal with armor. Consider including some combination of Acid Ball, Rust, Tooth and Nail, and more Dissolves.

Mongoose Agility is the best enchantment for the Johktari Beastmaster. I would run at least 2 copies.

It looks like you should find a place for Enchanter's Ring if you want to use so many enchantments.

Marked for Death is a solid option for Lair builds.

Pacify is out of shool you can get 2 extra copies of Mongoose Agility^^

Cobra Reflexes is in shool. Thats 2 spellpoints, compared with Reflex boots which prevent Leather Boots anyway.

You cant use Bow and Staff of Beast (or Ring of Beast) at the same time.
I think Staff of the Arcanum is a much better option than Ivarium Bow - one handed, etheral and Mana Drain.

Im running out of time, so gotta go!
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Re: Semi novice Johktari Beastmaster, any good?
« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2014, 10:47:07 AM »
If you want to try the Wolverine and go with the Bleed Strategy you might use Idol of Pestilence and Staff of Beast, that should get the Rage going and keep everybody bleeding, and you can still heal Wolverine/Dire Wolfs

Keep in mind that you only gain rage from attacks from enemy creatures. So Idol of Pestilence will not help your Wolverine at all. Also keep in mind that anytime you heal him, you want it to be in a large chunk as everytime he is healed he'll lose a counter, so you want to focus on larger single heals, and not small persistent heals like regenerate.

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Re: Semi novice Johktari Beastmaster, any good?
« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2014, 11:05:19 AM »
Deathlock is much better than Idol of Pestilence for a bleed strategy. No need to bother with healing.

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Re: Semi novice Johktari Beastmaster, any good?
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2014, 02:56:38 AM »
"You cant use Bow and Staff of Beast (or Ring of Beast) at the same time."

I know i cant use Bow and Staff at the same time, but why cant i use them with Ring of Beasts?

Yes, my spellbook is mana heavy, but that is why i try to balance it with 2x Mana flower, Harmonize, Lair, Enchanters ring and Ring of beasts. But we will see how it works this friday.

I will try to shuffle creatures more and try to include more Timber Wolfs as you suggested.

Thanks for the comments, hopefully, the book will be optimal soon  :)

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Re: Semi novice Johktari Beastmaster, any good?
« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2014, 10:04:15 AM »
Using Ring of Beast to summon a creature is also a full round for the Johktari Beastmaster, meaning you cant use a Bow and the Ring in the same round.
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Re: Semi novice Johktari Beastmaster, any good?
« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2014, 01:25:14 AM »
Yes i know, but the way he put it, it looked like none of the three items cant be used at all in any way.

Thank you anyhow, cheers.

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Re: Dragonclaw Wolverine, any good?
« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2014, 06:23:43 PM »
If you want to try the Wolverine and go with the Bleed Strategy you might use Idol of Pestilence and Staff of Beast, that should get the Rage going and keep everybody bleeding, and you can still heal Wolverine/Dire Wolfs

Keep in mind that you only gain rage from attacks from enemy creatures. So Idol of Pestilence will not help your Wolverine at all. Also keep in mind that anytime you heal him, you want it to be in a large chunk as everytime he is healed he'll lose a counter, so you want to focus on larger single heals, and not small persistent heals like regenerate.

Tried the Wolverine out a couple of times online as i dont own one myself.
As he only gets 1 Rage token each times hes wounded, it seems near impossible to get 3 Rage tokens in, without risking losing the Wolverine to early. The Dire Wolfs was much easier to use - getting a bleed and keep it on for a constant +2 bonus. Even my live substitute for Wolverine - Makunda seems better and easier to use.
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