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Air elemental
« on: August 25, 2016, 08:49:46 AM »
In the spirit of all the recent conversations about elementals:

Can we consider the Whirling Spirit as the air elemental? He surely looks like one, but he does not have the name, not have the subtype elemental and is considerably weaker than the other 3 elementals?

If he is not, what is the difference between an "elemental" and a "wind spirit"? And if he is not the elemental, could we expect the air elemental some day?

Could there be a lightning elemental or an ice elemental?
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Re: Air elemental
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2016, 09:36:21 AM »
In the spirit of all the recent conversations about elementals:

Can we consider the Whirling Spirit as the air elemental? He surely looks like one, but he does not have the name, not have the subtype elemental and is considerably weaker than the other 3 elementals?

If he is not, what is the difference between an "elemental" and a "wind spirit"? And if he is not the elemental, could we expect the air elemental some day?

Could there be a lightning elemental or an ice elemental?

I think of the Whirling Spirit as analogous to Iron Golem and Magma Golem - e.g. Air's non-Elemental non-living creature/construct.

I expect we'll see a true Air Elemental in the Forcemaster vs Wizard spell tome expansion (or whatever product gives us a female alternate Wizard).

*edit* Was there a "Swirling Spirit" or something analogous to a golem/spirit for the Siren?
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Re: Air elemental
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2016, 09:44:14 AM »
In contrast to the golems, it does have its own mind/spirit and is not psychic immune.

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Re: Air elemental
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2016, 09:48:57 AM »
Is there a ruling that Elementals have Psychic Immunity - even if the card does not say this?
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Re: Air elemental
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2016, 09:57:10 AM »
No, elementals do not have it.

Golems however are magical constructs (magical walking machines) and do not have an own mind. They have the psychic immunity traith.
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Re: Air elemental
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2016, 11:37:45 AM »
No, elementals do not have it.

Golems however are magical constructs (magical walking machines) and do not have an own mind. They have the psychic immunity traith.

OK. I was referring to this discussion, where somebody implied that Elementals have Psychic Immunity - although the Earth Elemental does not show this trait:

-Thorg can waste an Earth Elementals turns but taunting it and forcing it to move to his zone (since its a slow creature with no quick attack it will just uselessly lumber around)
Elementals are psychic immune so they ignore the taunt.

It thought there was some kind of undocumented ruling or so... But that is not the case, correct?
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Re: Air elemental
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2016, 11:41:48 AM »
Immediately following that discussion is a post from Laddinfance declaring that Elementals have their own will and are thus NOT Psychic Immune.  Officially, for all time as well as forever, Non-living is NOT EQUAL to Psychic Immune.  Elementals are NOT Psychic Immune.
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Re: Air elemental
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2016, 01:03:23 PM »
NonLiving trait ONLY grants Finite Life and Poison Immune to creatures.

If the creature is non living and doesn't specify Psy-Immunty, it doesn't have it. 
Invisible Stalker is not Psyi-Immune
Sardonyx, Blight of the Living is
Skeletons, Zombies and so on have Psychic Immunity specifically stamped on them because non-living doesn't imply it.

This becomes tricky or at least easy to gloss over, because a psychic effect can just call for "living creature" in its target anyway, like Sleep for example.

but, some spells like: Charm Mind Control Mind Shield  are all psychic in subtuype, but can be cast on non-living creatures who aren't immune.   The same is true for attacks from a creature like Psylok or Screeching Harpy.


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Re: Air elemental
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2016, 01:35:11 PM »
Kaarin was wrong.
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Re: Air elemental
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2016, 05:08:39 PM »
Can we consider the Whirling Spirit as the air elemental? He surely looks like one, but he does not have the name, not have the subtype elemental and is considerably weaker than the other 3 elementals?

If he is not, what is the difference between an "elemental" and a "wind spirit"? And if he is not the elemental, could we expect the air elemental some day?

Could there be a lightning elemental or an ice elemental?


Whirling Spirit is not an elemental but a sentient creature that lives in the Realm of Voltari (a place of existence from which most magic draws power.). Note the quote on the card “While summoned of Voltari, their essence is neither that world or this one.”

The Realm of Voltari crackles with ambient energy, and provides a volatile, harsh environment for the limited number of creatures who live there. The Whirling Spirit is one such creature, as is the Mana Leech, and manticores such as Asto Vantu.

True elementals are tied to elemental forces and were originally created by the Elemental Lords. Lightning and Ice Elementals exist (along with many other types of elementals, both lesser and greater), though not currently as cards.
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Re: Air elemental
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2016, 10:22:51 AM »
... and manticores such as Asto Vantu.

Typo for Asto Vidatu or there is some new cool creature on the way? (be it the second one please! :) )
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Re: Air elemental
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2016, 02:00:38 PM »
Typo for Asto Vidatu or there is some new cool creature on the way? (be it the second one please! :) )

Thanks for the callout -- I do mean Asto Vidatu.
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Re: Air elemental
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2016, 02:05:20 PM »
Thank you for explaining both here and about the demons. I very much enjoy reading lore.
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