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Eye in the Sky - Forcemaster
« on: February 15, 2017, 06:44:02 AM »
UPDATED 19 march 2017

Eye in the SkyForcemaster
Equipment1 x  Galvitar, Force Blade1 x  Dancing Scimitar1 x  Elemental CloakConjuration4 x  Mind's Eye1 x  Mana Crystal1 x  Pillar of Righteous Flame1 x  Tanglevine2 x  Wall of ForceCreature1 x  Meditating Monk1 x  Necropian Vampiress4 x  ThoughtsporeEnchantment2 x  Bear Strength2 x  Critical Strike2 x  Falcon Precision1 x  Retaliate1 x  Regrowth1 x  Rhino Hide1 x  Mind Shield1 x  Arcane Ward2 x  Brace Yourself2 x  Glancing Blow2 x  Chant of Rage1 x  ForcefieldIncantation3 x  Dispel3 x  Dissolve1 x  Seeking Dispel2 x  Clear Mind1 x  Defend2 x  Teleport2 x  Force Push1 x  Force Wave1 x  Disarm1 x  Steal Equipment1 x  SleepAttack1 x  Hurl Rock1 x  Flameblast1 x  Jet Stream1 x  Surging Wave1 x  Force Hammer
Total cost: 120 pts

More info about the changes can be found in replies #15 & #62

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The book started out originally like here
http://forum.arcanewonders.com/index.php?topic=17747.0
but has since been much improved upon imo.

It started out with Alandell but he's been removed since for a variety of reasons
1- very high sbp cost
2- boosting his attacks can at times just be too taxing on your mana resources
3- the mana you save really opens up the Thoughtspore game
4- he's an all-out offensive powerhouse but is not as good defensively and for this book and its strategy I prefer to have a creature that can excel at both
5- I prefer a creature with more staying power and who requires less maintenance
6- being Legendary, there's always the risk your opponent might play him before you thereby crippling you

Thus, Alandell has since been replaced with a Necropian Vampiress who fits the job description far better and who requires a lot less mana and attention overall to be effective in this strategy.

Vampiress with a Bear Strength is a serious offensive threat but at the same time is a tough defensive nut to crack as well.
Put the Vampiress on Guard and she can take a hit, swing back hard and heal herself in the process.
A guarding Vampiress also has much better synergy with Chant of Rage than a Guarding Alandell.

Her ability to gain Flight means she can take care of enemy Fliers, hop over walls, attack opposing Mind's Eyes etc.

Another addition I'm very happy with is Meditating Monk.
He's 1 sbp and 1 mana cheaper than a Crystal and since the FM (normally) prefers to stay in her zone during the early rounds, the full cast is not a handicap.
Opening with Monk-Crystal allows you to up your mana income to 12 per round for just a 9 mana investment and 3 sbp's.
The other bonus the Monk brings is that he gives you an extra action.

When you have a couple of Thoughtspores out you effectively generate 14 mana per round, which is usually more than enough to support the two spores every round if needed.

In the meantime, the number of Spores and Eyes has gone up to 4 copies of each.
Yes, you'll need them, want them and may one day play all four of one or the other, they are that good and I'm sure they are going to get more attention as they become more prominent.

The standard opening which I like very much goes like

R1 20 : Meditating Monk - Mana Crystal
R2 22(+1) : Necropian Vampiress - FD Bear Strength
R3 16(+1) : Thoughtspore - FD Glancing Blow or Mind's Eye
R4 18/14(+1) : plenty of mana to work with.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2017, 05:09:15 AM by Borg »
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Re: Eye in the Sky - Forcemaster
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2017, 08:24:32 AM »
No Acid Ball?  - One of my favourite spells to put on a thoughtspore.

What spells do you in general prefer to put on the spores?

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Re: Eye in the Sky - Forcemaster
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2017, 08:29:35 AM »
With only the vampiress and the forcemaster to attack, critical strike is way better than Acid ball. I would consider a third copy though.
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Re: Eye in the Sky - Forcemaster
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2017, 09:51:03 AM »
With only the vampiress and the forcemaster to attack, critical strike is way better than Acid ball. I would consider a third copy though.

You cannot put that on a spore.


Critial strikes are certianly better in several ways, but it also has its downsides compared to acid ball.

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Re: Eye in the Sky - Forcemaster
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2017, 10:18:01 AM »
Additionally, you have dissolve/dispel spores if needed that can take out anything with mind's eye and are protected with glancing blow.  :P I really don't think he needs acid ball.
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Re: Eye in the Sky - Forcemaster
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2017, 12:05:15 PM »
Hi Jack, Halewijn,

The first thing this book is looking for is to take away the opponent's equipment.
Armors, weapons, wands all just have to go.
But not only those. Gloves, Rings etc will eventually be taken out as well as it can be done so cheap and without Mage actions.
Therefore the first spore will likely be a Dissolve Spore, certainly if the opponent gives me the best clue of all in that regard : Battle Forge.

Contrary to a lot of other books who will be looking to take out a Battle Forge quickly, this book doesn't mind.

Other early clues you may get are Enchanter's Ring ( Dispel Spore likely coming up ) or Ring of Beasts ( Hurl Rock Spore )

The Critical Strikes are mainly meant to take on creatures with 2+ armor.

I prefer to spend just 5 mana and 1 action on Critical Strike which I can possibly reuse multiple times and protect with an Arcane Ward if necessary instead of casting multiple Acid Balls and spending a lot of mana on them.

If the opponent doesn't focus on equipment, you can still go with Rust & Critical strike to counter up to 5 armor.
« Last Edit: February 15, 2017, 12:07:51 PM by Borg »
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Re: Eye in the Sky - Forcemaster
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2017, 12:12:05 PM »
Nice to see you coming back to the vampiress. As I said I think she is working very well as FM buddy for all reasons you described.
I always had the feeling in many cases you don't need mind eye. Some spore or target is in reach all the time. But I guess that heavily depends on the enemy mage.

I really like the meditating monk in your book! Much more versatile than a second crystal. I use a wispwillow amulett for its cheaper mana cost, but for a longer game you're losing advantage with it.

I haven't tried critical strike with that setup yet, but like it. I was with the acidball fraction here :)

I miss some healing.
I personally prefer vampirism as you wanna punch anyway and that heals you the same time without further action.
But a mend or minor heal spore is also definitely a solid option.
I am not  to wand of healing. Only few dice, gets dissolved quickly and you might need your action for some other things.

And I see you don't run steal equipment. I like that to get a chitin or hauberk armor and dissolve ot the same time. It is expensive but so much fun to play :D

With only 1 scimitar that would not stay long in our local meta.

All in all these are all minor thoughts. In general the book looks solid and great!

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Re: Eye in the Sky - Forcemaster
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2017, 12:21:39 PM »
Regarding the Acid Ball discussion, AB is good against Zombies, while Critical Strike is useless (aside from when attacking the opposing Mage).

Do you have a particular strategy against Zombie Necromancers? When the Vampiress was my Forcemaster buddy, I found she really struggled against the undead. I suppose you can push/pull Zombies into a Pillar of Righteous Flame...

I guess the argument goes either way: Necromancer will struggle with the Mind's Eyes (probably needs a Mage Wand or some Ethereal attack spells to deal with them); and the Forcemaster/Vampiress have trouble with the hordes of zombies. Maybe the idea is to avoid the Zombies themselves (some are Pests, and the Vampiress can always take flight to avoid being hindered), so maybe a Teleport Spore could work to keep separating the Necromancer from his minions.
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Re: Eye in the Sky - Forcemaster
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2017, 01:01:15 PM »
Do you have a particular strategy against Zombie Necromancers? When the Vampiress was my Forcemaster buddy, I found she really struggled against the undead. I suppose you can push/pull Zombies into a Pillar of Righteous Flame...

I guess the argument goes either way: Necromancer will struggle with the Mind's Eyes (probably needs a Mage Wand or some Ethereal attack spells to deal with them); and the Forcemaster/Vampiress have trouble with the hordes of zombies. Maybe the idea is to avoid the Zombies themselves (some are Pests, and the Vampiress can always take flight to avoid being hindered), so maybe a Teleport Spore could work to keep separating the Necromancer from his minions.

I haven't played vs Necromancer yet with this book but the idea is to Hurl Rock & Flameblast him from across the arena.
The Necromancer is likely going to have trouble with the Flying Eyes and Thoughtspores.
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Re: Eye in the Sky - Forcemaster
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2017, 01:45:14 PM »
@chef

Regarding Healing : I have a Regrowth available ;) and a Raincloud to protect my starting zone and Spores against things like Idol of Pestilence.
A Minor Heal on a spore sounds great but in practice I usually have a more important spell to put on the Spore.
I do not exclude however that I might still move into that direction at one point.
In general though, I prefer passive healing.

As such, the Wand of Healing is there mostly to counter devastating conditions like Stun, Cripple, Tainted etc

The built-in Vampirism and Flying is one of the great advantages of the Vampiress and allows me to save 8 sbp's ( Vampirism and Eagle Wings for Alandell)

Steal Equipment : what do I cut for it ? :)
It's a situational card and therefore less "necessary" to have available imo and it's cheaper sbp wise to have a piece of armor in the book instead of Steal Equipment.

Scimitar is not meant to be an early card and has yet to come out with this book.
FM plays a "manager" game early on, bringing the right counters/tools into play.

Galvitar-Scimitar-Forcefield are more meant as middle to late game options and may not be needed at all if things work out OK. They are however too good to leave out and may come in handy at any point in the game.
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Re: Eye in the Sky - Forcemaster
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2017, 03:14:14 PM »
Just want to say this looks like a really cool book.   Props for the design. I look forward to trying it out and/or making my own version.  Minds eyes and thoughtspores are a perfect combo.  Can't wait to see how force master changes as these newer cards are explored. 
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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2017, 04:53:25 PM »
@chef

Regarding Healing : I have a Regrowth available ;) and a Raincloud to protect my starting zone and Spores against things like Idol of Pestilence.
A Minor Heal on a spore sounds great but in practice I usually have a more important spell to put on the Spore.
I do not exclude however that I might still move into that direction at one point.
In general though, I prefer passive healing.

As such, the Wand of Healing is there mostly to counter devastating conditions like Stun, Cripple, Tainted etc

The built-in Vampirism and Flying is one of the great advantages of the Vampiress and allows me to save 8 sbp's ( Vampirism and Eagle Wings for Alandell)

Steal Equipment : what do I cut for it ? :)
It's a situational card and therefore less "necessary" to have available imo and it's cheaper sbp wise to have a piece of armor in the book instead of Steal Equipment.

Scimitar is not meant to be an early card and has yet to come out with this book.
FM plays a "manager" game early on, bringing the right counters/tools into play.

Galvitar-Scimitar-Forcefield are more meant as middle to late game options and may not be needed at all if things work out OK. They are however too good to leave out and may come in handy at any point in the game.

So the book is meant to be more manager-style than I thought. Vampirism on yourself with galvitar for sure only makes sense if you want to go melee. But you actually don't want to do that.

And yes, steal equipment is not a card you need. Just a fun surprise. But again this only works when you are at your enemy.

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Re: Eye in the Sky - Forcemaster
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2017, 10:38:20 AM »
So the book is meant to be more manager-style than I thought. Vampirism on yourself with galvitar for sure only makes sense if you want to go melee. But you actually don't want to do that.

Well, you need to set up first of course and that will take about 3 or 4 full casts. Monk (mana), Vampiress ( defense) and 1 or two Spores.
I'm cautious as not to cast the first spore too soon, not before I get a clear/better idea of what my first spore should "do", so I don't make a crucial mistake.
Sometimes it's clear right away what you want, sometimes not. By R3 at the latest you should know how to proceed.
Against a Necromancer for example you might want to start with 2 spores ( Hurl Rock and Flameblast ) and two eyes to put on the pressure immediately.

Once you're set up you'll likely want to spend the FM's next actions casting spells ( like Chant of Rage, Critical Strike ) or force pulling or whatever to improve your current board situation. If that situation dictates you to pull out Galvitar and the Scimitar you can do that too of course but usually ( if things go as planned ;) ) that will not happen early game.
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Re: Eye in the Sky - Forcemaster
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2017, 06:43:14 PM »
Hey Borg! Great book, I actually made one that just so happended to have all but one card the same (by accident).
"Eye in the Sky!"A Forcemaster Spellbookbuilt by the OCTGN SBB
Attack1 x Force Hammer1 x Flameblast1 x Invisible Fist1 x Surging WaveConjuration1 x Mana Crystal1 x Hand of Bim-Shalla1 x Pillar of Righteous Flame4 x Mind's Eye2 x Wall of Force1 x RaincloudCreature4 x Thoughtspore1 x Necropian Vampiress1 x Meditating MonkEnchantment2 x Critical Strike2 x Bear Strength1 x Falcon Precision2 x Glancing Blow1 x Forcefield1 x Poisoned Blood1 x Song of Love1 x Regrowth2 x Chant of Rage1 x Mongoose Agility2 x Arcane Ward1 x Brace Yourself1 x Decoy1 x Rust1 x Rhino Hide1 x Mind Shield1 x Divine MightEquipment1 x Dancing Scimitar1 x Wand of Healing1 x Galvitar, Force Blade1 x Elemental Cloak1 x Leather ChaussesIncantation3 x Dissolve1 x Seeking Dispel3 x Dispel2 x Force Push1 x Teleport1 x Sleep1 x Lesser Teleport1 x Clear Mind
Total cost: 120 pts

Few questions?
1. When do you like to shift the opening around? If ever?
2. Do you still stick by your philosophy of just flat up destroy the creature spawnpoint?
3. How does this play vs druid and siren?
4. When and why will you typically cast the 2nd and 3rd spores?
5. What weaknesses,strengthes have you found the book to have?
Thanks!
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Re: Eye in the Sky - Forcemaster
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2017, 02:31:22 AM »
Why the vampress and not guardian angel?

What happens once I kill the raincloud and all your spores?