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Santar

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BattleFury VS Counterstrike = bad idea?
« on: December 16, 2017, 07:55:33 AM »
Hi Mages!
Imagine that Brogan with BearStrenght and BattleFury attacks Hydra.

I see this combat next way:
Brogan 1st attack with melee+2 bonus= 6 dices.
Then 1st Hydra counterattack for 4 dices.
At the end of attack action Brogan make one more quick attack for 4 dice.
And Hydra make one more counterattack.

So use BattleFury against creature with permanent counterstrike is not the best idea.
« Last Edit: December 16, 2017, 08:24:51 AM by Santar »

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Re: BattleFury VS Counterstrike = bad idea?
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2017, 08:22:47 AM »
correct.

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Re: BattleFury VS Counterstrike = bad idea?
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2018, 06:53:58 PM »
Page 28 of the rulebook:
"A creature may make one counterstrike against each creature that attacks it with a melee attack (even if the attacker attacks it with more than one strike during the attack). Multiple Counterstrike traits on the same creature do not allow it to make additional counterstrikes."

This line is a little vague. It could be interpreted as one counterstrike per attacker per attack, allowing you to counterstrike the battle fury. Technically additional strikes are additional attacks though, so this interpretation would lean itself to allowing you to counterstrike those as well, but we can clearly see in the example that such is not allowed. Therefore I think the correct interpretation is one counterstrike per attacker per attack action. There is room for disagreement, you may feel that the exclusion of additional strikes is a specific ruling rather than just an example, but I feel fairly confident that per attack action is correct.

So I'd say no, you can not counterstrike a second time with the Hydra.

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Re: BattleFury VS Counterstrike = bad idea?
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2018, 09:18:01 PM »
It doesn't seem vague to me at all (for what it's worth). The Counterstrike trait allows one strike against each creature, no matter how many attacks that creature gets.
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Re: BattleFury VS Counterstrike = bad idea?
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2018, 06:04:59 PM »
Rules supplement:
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If the extra is made against the same defender, it will not trigger an additional Counterstrike or Damage Barrier. If the
attacking creature becomes affected by a condition acquired from the counterstrike or damage barrier (such as being stunned
or dazed), its extra attack will be affected, and the condition marker will remain on the creature until end of the next round (if
it has an “end of action phase” effect, as per rules for conditions acquired from a damage barrier or counterstrike)
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Re: BattleFury VS Counterstrike = bad idea?
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2018, 11:29:04 AM »
I'm also in the clearly once per creature camp....

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Re: BattleFury VS Counterstrike = bad idea?
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2018, 03:10:39 PM »
Thanks Kaarin for looking into this further. I was confident that was the right answer, but felt like being generous towards other interpretations and giving them the benefit of the doubt. The supplement clears it up though.

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Re: BattleFury VS Counterstrike = bad idea?
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2018, 09:16:49 PM »
Thx for answer =)