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Kraken and guarding
« on: January 08, 2018, 10:29:57 AM »
Hey guys,

I guard with the Kraken.  The Kraken is melee attacked.  Where is my quick action melee attack to use as a Counterstrike?  Is it my mistake to guard with a creature that lacks a quick action melee attack and expect a Counterstrike?   

I didn't find it written anywhere that a creature who lacks a quick action melee attack does not get to Counterstrike when guarding.  Although I did find that 'Ranged attacks skip this step' and 'You may not make a full action melee attack or a ranged attack with Counterstrike.'

I think it was an oversight on my part (hangs head and sobs softly).

Thanks!
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Re: Kraken and guarding
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2018, 11:35:05 AM »
Full action only attacks cannot be used to counterstrike. Only quick action attacks.

The only benefit you get is to have a big guard that can take a hit instead of the attack hitting your mage.
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Re: Kraken and guarding
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2018, 11:43:41 AM »
Not a mistake, but Kraken is definitely a creature you might prefer to attack with than to guard with.

I find Togorah, Forest Sentinel difficult to play partly for the same reason. He has Vigilance/Intercept, which makes you assume he must be a terrific guard... but doesn't get to counterstrike. At least the Vigilance allows him to attack and get a guard marker in the same round, but it still feels hollow when your guard doesn't get to counterstrike.
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Re: Kraken and guarding
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2018, 12:26:52 PM »
I guess a 6 dice attack is a bit much for a counterstrike.  In a large number of cases, it would be a stronger attack than that of the aggressor!

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Re: Kraken and guarding
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2018, 12:27:18 PM »
Earth Elemental also comes to mind....
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Re: Kraken and guarding
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2018, 12:40:11 PM »
The jelly! Corrosive attack that reconstructs and devours can can't make a counterstike :(
I understand why, but he is on that list too
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Re: Kraken and guarding
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2018, 01:30:51 PM »
The jelly! Corrosive attack that reconstructs and devours can't make a counterstike :(
I understand why, but he is on that list too

fixed :)
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Re: Kraken and guarding
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2018, 01:37:43 PM »
The jelly! Corrosive attack that reconstructs and devours can't make a counterstike :(
I understand why, but he is on that list too

fixed :)

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Re: Kraken and guarding
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2018, 06:48:42 PM »
Full action only attacks cannot be used to counterstrike. Only quick action attacks.

The only benefit you get is to have a big guard that can take a hit instead of the attack hitting your mage.
I don't have the rules in front of me, but I believe placing a guard only provides the Counterstrike trait to a Quick Melee Attack of that Creature. So the Kraken would still Protect the Zone, but would not receive a Counterstrike when placed on Guard.
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Re: Kraken and guarding
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2018, 07:06:53 PM »
Full action only attacks cannot be used to counterstrike. Only quick action attacks.

The only benefit you get is to have a big guard that can take a hit instead of the attack hitting your mage.
I don't have the rules in front of me, but I believe placing a guard only provides the Counterstrike trait to a Quick Melee Attack of that Creature. So the Kraken would still Protect the Zone, but would not receive a Counterstrike when placed on Guard.

Yeah, he can guard but not hit back so he can be used as a guard to soak up hits
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