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Mage Wars => General Discussion => Topic started by: ringkichard on July 19, 2013, 04:14:47 pm

Title: The Eratta.
Post by: ringkichard on July 19, 2013, 04:14:47 pm
Wow. I go to take my lunch break, and I discover Hand-Solo Forcemaster is nerfed twice and so is Temple Priestess/Priest. Huh. Between this and the new defensive cards in Conquest, are we entering a new age of control books?
Title: Re: The Eratta.
Post by: Shad0w on July 19, 2013, 04:35:50 pm
Some players found it imbalanced dieing on turn 4 and 5. (Yes it can still be done. No I will not explain how. This just makes it a little more difficult to do)
Title: Re: The Eratta.
Post by: DarthDadaD20 on July 19, 2013, 04:45:21 pm
I think it opens up more options. That and players will have too come up with some new strategies now, ending with better book building.

I feel its for the best.
Title: Re: The Eratta.
Post by: Fentum on July 19, 2013, 04:46:07 pm
Is there some way in which loyal and stalwart existing owners of the game can get updated cards? I can see ALL SORTS of chaos occurring here, and I don't want marker pen on my cards...

That would be nice.
Title: Re: The Eratta.
Post by: DallasSooner87 on July 19, 2013, 04:48:50 pm
Is there some way in which loyal and stalwart existing owners of the game can get updated cards? I can see ALL SORTS of chaos occurring here, and I don't want marker pen on my cards...

That would be nice.

I too would be interested in something like this. I know I won't be able to remember if I don't mark my cards, and I have a less than 0% desire to do so because they look so good.
Title: Re: The Eratta.
Post by: Texan85 on July 19, 2013, 04:50:46 pm
I agree with the temple of light, but I thought it should go priest only epic instead.

Although the hand change was interesting, but I could see how it would über out the FM
Title: Re: The Eratta.
Post by: Shad0w on July 19, 2013, 04:54:04 pm
Is there some way in which loyal and stalwart existing owners of the game can get updated cards? I can see ALL SORTS of chaos occurring here, and I don't want marker pen on my cards...

That would be nice.

We had talked about this and I have not heard an official answer yet.

On a side not the rules team has been going back and forth about these changes since late May. We wanted to have the wording finalized no later than one month before Gencon so people would have plenty of time to test and build
Title: Re: The Eratta.
Post by: Shad0w on July 19, 2013, 04:56:44 pm
I agree with the temple of light, but I thought it should go priest only epic instead.

Although the hand change was interesting, but I could see how it would über out the FM
turn 5 I could 14 4 14 3 under the old rules even with average rolls that is lethal for most mages.
Title: Re: The Eratta.
Post by: Texan85 on July 19, 2013, 05:52:30 pm
Yep, law of unintended consequences, that's smack you. In the face strong.

IMO if y'all can't do free ones, then print 4-6 copies in next expansion, or let us buy some online?
Title: Re: The Eratta.
Post by: Thessial on July 19, 2013, 06:01:36 pm
Is there some way in which loyal and stalwart existing owners of the game can get updated cards? I can see ALL SORTS of chaos occurring here, and I don't want marker pen on my cards...

That would be nice.

Greetings to all!

To answer the question, producing cards as a small single print run is beyond the budget. We are gamers after all and our salaries don't yet equal that of sports stars. However, we feel your pain. So here are our solutions to get accurate reprints out to you the dedicated many.

We have decided to make sure that reprints of the cards will appear in the next Expansion that has a Mage capable of benefiting from them. To be a little more clear, not Druid Vs. Necromancer, but an Expansion that we are looking at for the 2014 season. Now I have less patience than most and that just doesn't satisfy me fully. So...

We are going to post printable PDFs of the 3 modified cards in the Downloads section of our website later tonight. This will at least keep people from having to mark up their existing cards.

Hope this helps and thank you very much for supporting Mage Wars!

John
Title: Re: The Eratta.
Post by: DarthDadaD20 on July 19, 2013, 07:36:31 pm
I printed them out at low resolution and they work fine.

Just stick them in a sleeve with the card and youre ready to roll! (Attack dice that is!)
Title: Re: The Eratta.
Post by: cbalian on July 19, 2013, 09:14:02 pm
Awesome!  Thanks!  I sleeve all my cards so that is a workable solution.  Although I would prefer to simply purchase a card pack with replacements, but this will do for now.  I don't want to rely on my memory to remember the change nor do I want to mark up existing cards, that is kind of low budget and tacky looking.
Title: Re: The Eratta.
Post by: Shad0w on July 19, 2013, 09:19:58 pm
Hand of Bin-Shalla, Temple of Light, And Battle Fury Errata - Explanation (http://forum.arcanewonders.com/index.php?topic=12796.msg19307#msg19307)
Title: Re: The Eratta.
Post by: Texan85 on July 19, 2013, 11:51:07 pm
At least the changes are very straight forward, i don't know if you even need an indicator. Those cards were rather infamous in the game right now.
Title: Re: The Eratta.
Post by: Fentum on July 20, 2013, 03:40:13 am
Is there some way in which loyal and stalwart existing owners of the game can get updated cards? I can see ALL SORTS of chaos occurring here, and I don't want marker pen on my cards...

That would be nice.

Greetings to all!

To answer the question, producing cards as a small single print run is beyond the budget. We are gamers after all and our salaries don't yet equal that of sports stars. However, we feel your pain. So here are our solutions to get accurate reprints out to you the dedicated many.

We have decided to make sure that reprints of the cards will appear in the next Expansion that has a Mage capable of benefiting from them. To be a little more clear, not Druid Vs. Necromancer, but an Expansion that we are looking at for the 2014 season. Now I have less patience than most and that just doesn't satisfy me fully. So...

We are going to post printable PDFs of the 3 modified cards in the Downloads section of our website later tonight. This will at least keep people from having to mark up their existing cards.

Hope this helps and thank you very much for supporting Mage Wars!

John

Hi John,

Thanks for the information. It is nice to have PDFs but I never use sleeves. I am still a bit worried as it seems as though the replacements may come out in dribs and drabs 'in the next expansion that has a Mage capable of benefitting from them'. Two things...

 Firstly, ALL mages can benefit from them.

Secondly, the issue isn't MAGE benefit, it is GAME OWNER benefit.

If you can't just send out replacement cards for free (I wonder how many games have actually been sold so far, and what would the actual cost be?) How about you put max copies of each errata card, 4 or 6, into the next expansion as a free add on? Or even just a couple of each? I know all about print costs and so on, but I also know that doing remarkable things for your customer base drives long term loyalty.

The precedent would be Conflict of Heroes: Awakening the Bear. They included a free couple sheets of proper high quality counters in the second expansion, Price of Honour, to replace slightly modified counters from the original game. They garnered much kudos for this on the boards.

I love this Mage Wars game. I will keep playing it. It's all about the love, not the commerce.



Title: Re: The Eratta.
Post by: Texan85 on July 20, 2013, 07:12:36 am
Is there some way in which loyal and stalwart existing owners of the game can get updated cards? I can see ALL SORTS of chaos occurring here, and I don't want marker pen on my cards...

That would be nice.

Greetings to all!

To answer the question, producing cards as a small single print run is beyond the budget. We are gamers after all and our salaries don't yet equal that of sports stars. However, we feel your pain. So here are our solutions to get accurate reprints out to you the dedicated many.

We have decided to make sure that reprints of the cards will appear in the next Expansion that has a Mage capable of benefiting from them. To be a little more clear, not Druid Vs. Necromancer, but an Expansion that we are looking at for the 2014 season. Now I have less patience than most and that just doesn't satisfy me fully. So...

We are going to post printable PDFs of the 3 modified cards in the Downloads section of our website later tonight. This will at least keep people from having to mark up their existing cards.

Hope this helps and thank you very much for supporting Mage Wars!

John

Hi John,

Thanks for the information. It is nice to have PDFs but I never use sleeves. I am still a bit worried as it seems as though the replacements may come out in dribs and drabs 'in the next expansion that has a Mage capable of benefitting from them'. Two things...

 Firstly, ALL mages can benefit from them.

Secondly, the issue isn't MAGE benefit, it is GAME OWNER benefit.

If you can't just send out replacement cards for free (I wonder how many games have actually been sold so far, and what would the actual cost be?) How about you put max copies of each errata card, 4 or 6, into the next expansion as a free add on? Or even just a couple of each? I know all about print costs and so on, but I also know that doing remarkable things for your customer base drives long term loyalty.

The precedent would be Conflict of Heroes: Awakening the Bear. They included a free couple sheets of proper high quality counters in the second expansion, Price of Honour, to replace slightly modified counters from the original game. They garnered much kudos for this on the boards.

I love this Mage Wars game. I will keep playing it. It's all about the love, not the commerce.

Me thinks the production of the next xpac is locked or in the motion, so that's why it won't be in the next?

I am more concerned with the implications.
Title: Re: The Eratta.
Post by: sIKE on July 20, 2013, 09:54:05 am
Sounds like a good excuse for a Gold Foil Promo's...
Title: Re: The Eratta.
Post by: Texan85 on July 20, 2013, 01:55:53 pm
Sounds like a good excuse for a Gold Foil Promo's...

If this even smells like a tcg then I'm done with this game. Ten years and a couple thousand into Yugioh and no more. I'm glad that the promos are nOt legal in tournaments, even though I dropped Alota money to get them, because I'm done with pay to win games; be they online or on tabletop.
Title: Re: The Eratta.
Post by: nitrodavid on July 20, 2013, 09:29:20 pm
if anything mage wars is a living card game. if mage wars wants to make extra money with gold promo cards why not. as long as practical players can still use there old plain cards then its fine with me.

also are we still allowed to use the old card in tournaments if we have a print out of the errata. I ask because I know you can't use proxy cards in comp games will errata be the exception to this rule.
Title: Re: The Eratta.
Post by: Moonglow on July 22, 2013, 05:50:42 am
How about replacement cards through BGG? They charge a nominal fee for delivery etc, supports the community an gets replacement cards out there.  A couple of other games have done a similar fix or retrofit through the geek store I think.
Title: Re: The Eratta.
Post by: reddawn on July 22, 2013, 02:06:02 pm
I think their solution is fine really.  Most other games just ban cards rather than errata them.  And I've never seen a company provide PDFs: that's some serious genuine concern right thar.

Title: Re: The Eratta.
Post by: Fentum on July 22, 2013, 03:14:27 pm

I received a couple of sets of promo cards after donating to The Dice Tower. Sent by Mr Tom Vasel from Florididida (!) to UK. I wonder if AW could send replacements for free in a similar style.
Title: Re: The Eratta.
Post by: lil_drag_n on July 23, 2013, 11:55:57 pm
If AW is releasing pdfs of major erratas shouldn't tangletvines also get a face lift as well?  I read somewhere that tanglevine should have The unmovable trait.  Minor text missing like means sub-class mana on the moonglow amulet and unavoidable trait from hail of stones are obvious and don't need pdfs. Tanglevine errata is pretty big.