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Title: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Lord0fWinter on August 21, 2014, 09:27:49 am
This is mainly a placeholder for now, but I'll be posting images of cards here and the links to the articles about them as they are revealed, similarly to what I did with FiF.

The Mages

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(http://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic1757708.png)

Other



Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Bluebaron on August 21, 2014, 09:50:04 am
That is awesome. That was already very helpful for FiF.
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Maverick on August 22, 2014, 07:39:16 pm
So if the trend of previous mages continue then the equipment the mages are wearing in the pictures will be equipment cards for them. Looks like a trident style weapon for the Siren and a Sword of some sort for the Paladin. I bet he will have unique armor with possibly a helmet and a shield as well.
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Cnoedel on August 22, 2014, 10:57:58 pm
I had the exact same thoughts regardng the equipment and i am as sure as one can be at this point that the Paladin will get a shield! Not sure about the helmet, but regarding the podcast with Bryan Pope he said something with "truesight" on an equipment to see through the illusions of the illusionist - this could very well be named helmet!

Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: silverclawgrizzly on August 23, 2014, 12:25:43 am
I'll note the Anvil Throne Warlord has no axe or shield equipment yet. Though I suspect that helmet and sword will both be in the set.
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Boocheck on August 23, 2014, 12:35:52 am
I Vote for Vorpal blade! ;)
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Cnoedel on August 23, 2014, 04:52:58 am
My guess is that the Paladin sword has the etheral trait :D
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Boocheck on August 23, 2014, 03:19:19 pm
Heavy armor guys are most of the times alergic to lightning. It would be fun, if paladin could work as a lightning rod or inductor. His gear will add +x lightning trait and he will cast lightning attacsk on himself. Thanks to his inner ability, he will redirect the whole attack to a target enemy creature. I must say, i am slowly getting hyped just thinking about upcoming expansion. I was hoping that i will defend myself against this feeling a little bit longer :)
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: V10lentray on August 23, 2014, 06:55:45 pm
Maybe the paladin will get the Ballista?

I kid i kid, we all know that card will never get printed....  :'(
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: isel on August 25, 2014, 10:04:25 am
Maybe the paladin will get the Ballista?

I kid i kid, we all know that card will never get printed....  :'(

I prayer for that!!!

Maybe syren will have another enchantment "only syren" that gives her armor and something more as Flame -2 trait.

i hope soon weīll know what promo cards will be released in this pack.

Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: echephron on August 26, 2014, 09:38:34 pm
I feel like this thread got taken over by people who would be better off going to this other thread:

Paladin and Siren speculation: http://forum.arcanewonders.com/index.php?topic=14186.25
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Lord0fWinter on August 26, 2014, 10:48:34 pm
I feel like this thread got taken over by people who would be better off going to this other thread:

Paladin and Siren speculation: http://forum.arcanewonders.com/index.php?topic=14186.25

Ehh, I don't really care. Speculate away on this thread.

On a side note, I'm getting the feeling that PvS won't actually be out till next year, thus breaking the cycle of having two new Mages every fall/winter.

They've got both Battlegrounds and Academy mode which are slated for this year and both of those are huge deals, so I don't think we'll see PvS for a while. This is just pure speculation of course, but we know AW likes to make sure everything is perfect in an expansion before it is released (something I am very thankful for), and making that happen takes alot of time/work/testing.
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: V10lentray on August 26, 2014, 11:40:45 pm
Battlegrounds will be cool.

I like that those cards will be legal in MW games, but regular MW cards won't be legal for Battlegrounds.

It's also a lot smaller of a MW game in case people were a little intimidated by the apprentice game. You can work them in using baby steps.
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Boocheck on August 26, 2014, 11:53:12 pm
Well, they stated, that all cards from Battlegrounds will be playable in Standard MW, but some cards from Standard MW will not be playable in Battlegrounds. That makes sense :) Wizard tower in 1*3 space is not funny :)

About PvS, i have also a similar feeling, that there is a chance, we will not see it this year. I really love, how AW put quality over quantity and this is also a reason, why they will be a number 1 game in my hearth for ages to come :)

Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: V10lentray on August 27, 2014, 12:00:22 am
My personal opinion is Wiazrd's tower is broken. I hate that damn card. I wouldn't hate it so much if that either:

Each spell cast from the tower was a one time deal, cast and into the Discard pile

OR

There was a Mana Cost associated with changing the spell.

All other items that have spellbind that you can change the bound spell have a cost associated to change the spell.

But yeah, back to the topic - yeah, they really care about the quality of what they release instead of releasing something to get it out there and then have to back pedal because they screwed up.
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Laddinfance on August 27, 2014, 09:15:03 am
Well, they stated, that all cards from Battlegrounds will be playable in Standard MW, but some cards from Standard MW will not be playable in Battlegrounds. That makes sense :) Wizard tower in 1*3 space is not funny :)

About PvS, i have also a similar feeling, that there is a chance, we will not see it this year. I really love, how AW put quality over quantity and this is also a reason, why they will be a number 1 game in my hearth for ages to come :)

I think you guys are referring to Academy. Battlegrounds is the product with the modular board.
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Lord0fWinter on August 27, 2014, 09:19:53 am
Well, they stated, that all cards from Battlegrounds will be playable in Standard MW, but some cards from Standard MW will not be playable in Battlegrounds. That makes sense :) Wizard tower in 1*3 space is not funny :)

You're thinking of Academy.

Battlegrounds is the expansion that comes with the puzzle piece board tiles and Domination Mode, along with official rules for multiplayer. Pretty sure I heard that somewhere a while back when it was being first talked about. There will be new cards in Battlegrounds too I think, with things that deal with all Mages on a team (ex: Heal all friendly Mages 3 dice). Stuff like that.


Edit: Laddin beat me to it ;)
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: V10lentray on August 27, 2014, 09:33:13 am
both are going to be cool.
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Boocheck on August 27, 2014, 10:00:07 am
Yeah, Academy... shame on me :)

sorry for confusion :)
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Marhem on August 27, 2014, 11:22:29 am
My personal opinion is Wiazrd's tower is broken. I hate that damn card. I wouldn't hate it so much if that either:

Each spell cast from the tower was a one time deal, cast and into the Discard pile

OR

There was a Mana Cost associated with changing the spell.

All other items that have spellbind that you can change the bound spell have a cost associated to change the spell.

But yeah, back to the topic - yeah, they really care about the quality of what they release instead of releasing something to get it out there and then have to back pedal because they screwed up.
Just saying, wiz tower is not overpowering, its like forcefield, high quality and efficient  :D.
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Boocheck on August 27, 2014, 03:18:18 pm
Look what internet spit on me when i typed "We need a bigger boat" into google

https://www.dropbox.com/sc/oev9k5m7qvex76h/AAD7feuiaPa1MkhkOk-MScJLa

:)
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Laddinfance on August 27, 2014, 07:58:49 pm
Look what internet spit on me when i typed "We need a bigger boat" into google

https://www.dropbox.com/sc/oev9k5m7qvex76h/AAD7feuiaPa1MkhkOk-MScJLa

:)

$10,000 for me by myself. For that you get the head, the tail, the whole damn thing.
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: V10lentray on August 28, 2014, 01:31:40 pm
It  looks like she's going to have a shark Familiar.

If you Jet stream the shark does that create a Sharknado?
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Maverick on August 28, 2014, 07:41:49 pm
They officially need a sharknado card now.
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: ozmo on August 28, 2014, 10:37:12 pm
Shark!

Mere words cannot express my delight at the possibilities.
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Wildhorn on September 07, 2014, 12:33:51 pm
So... When will this begin all these leakage?
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Lord0fWinter on September 07, 2014, 04:53:24 pm
So... When will this begin all these leakage?

Soon I hope :D Although spoilers for Battlegrounds or Academy may come before PvS.
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: isel on September 23, 2014, 02:03:05 pm
Nothing yet?

Please Arcane wonders, give us something!!!

(something maybe money xd xd)
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: echephron on September 25, 2014, 12:37:31 pm
during the priest podcast, they all but assured us that paladin will be trained in at least some war and some holy, if that counts as a spoiler.
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Wildhorn on September 25, 2014, 01:04:42 pm
during the priest podcast, they all but assured us that paladin will be trained in at least some war and some holy, if that counts as a spoiler.

No. We want a card!
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Boocheck on September 25, 2014, 01:51:00 pm
Druid vs Necro was spoiled around 4.9., FiF create some extra work for AW so my guess is that we will probably start seeing cards next month. If not... i will wait :)
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Cnoedel on September 25, 2014, 03:26:14 pm
"If not....i will (have to) wait"

fixed that for you :D
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: V10lentray on September 30, 2014, 10:54:55 am
I'm just going to leave this right here
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: isel on September 30, 2014, 10:57:16 am
wow, new alternative art teleport? or we have several in pvs?
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Boocheck on September 30, 2014, 11:48:04 am
Even a small picture in bad resolution get my blood boilong :)

Did you get this by official google way or they are now instaling new window at arcane wonders office?
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: V10lentray on September 30, 2014, 12:12:23 pm
I can not confirm or deny that this is in PvS, but this card does exist. I was handed it by someone at AW at a very large Convention in August. There are a few copies of this card out there already.

The person at AW is such an enabler, like a crack dealer, giving you your first hit for free, makes you keep coming back for more....
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Wildhorn on September 30, 2014, 02:54:07 pm
I'm just going to leave this right here

Do you have a file with a format more standard?
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Laddinfance on September 30, 2014, 03:00:38 pm
I can not confirm or deny that this is in PvS, but this card does exist. I was handed it by someone at AW at a very large Convention in August. There are a few copies of this card out there already.

The person at AW is such an enabler, like a crack dealer, giving you your first hit for free, makes you keep coming back for more....

I believe I also told you not to talk about this card. It's more like fight club. We do not talk about promo teleport. ;D

This is a promo of teleport that will be in a future OP kit coming soon. Right now there is no intention of putting it in PVS, though we did put the Siren on the art.
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: silverclawgrizzly on September 30, 2014, 03:50:49 pm
Oh man extra Teleports in an OP kit? Good lord that's going to be popular lol.
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: V10lentray on September 30, 2014, 04:25:00 pm
I believe I also told you not to talk about this card. It's more like fight club. We do not talk about promo teleport. ;D

You had to ruin all the fun, I had them thinking they were going to get more teleports...

i think if you look hard enough in the play video for Arcane Duels, i actually cast that Teleport.
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Mrmt on October 05, 2014, 03:21:09 pm
This is a promo of teleport that will be in a future OP kit coming soon. Right now there is no intention of putting it in PVS, though we did put the Siren on the art.

Seems to me there would be demand for a kind of 'get up date and up to speed' spell tome 3.

Add some alternate art teleports, alongside other similarly essential cards which have not been included in the bigs expansions; some alternate versions of singles from the base game/FvN (barracks, for example); throw in the errata'd cards, and any cards with significantly updated explanations.

I suspect there would be brisk market.
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: isel on October 06, 2014, 03:41:41 pm
Well.....itīs october and ...no words, no spoilers...Why Arcane wonders it bad with us? Why they have forgotten us? Whyyyyy.......

Snif....

 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Maybe the rumors are true and PvS itīs a dream that never will be true.....
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Laddinfance on October 06, 2014, 04:04:47 pm
Well.....itīs october and ...no words, no spoilers...Why Arcane wonders it bad with us? Why they have forgotten us? Whyyyyy.......

Snif....

 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Maybe the rumors are true and PvS itīs a dream that never will be true.....

AW is not mad with anyone, and we certainly haven't forgotten anyone.

Generally, when we don't comment on something it is because we have nothing new to say. Right now PVS is in this boat. I can guarantee you that the moment we can say something we will. We're very excited about this set and getting more content out to our Mage Wars players.

I'm sorry this has made you sad, but rest assured that we'll tell you the minute we can! We're gamers too and we're always excited about expansions.

Aaron
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: silverclawgrizzly on October 06, 2014, 10:01:59 pm
We'll get PvS eventually Isel don't worry friend. I don't think we'll get it in 2014 but that's ok. I'm STILL getting the new mages from the last set down while tinkering with the other mages constantly. Let me ask you something, everyone really, how many half finished spell books you got lying around as is? If you're like me you got maybe 1-3 finished ones and about another 3-4 you're still "working on."
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Boocheck on October 07, 2014, 01:13:12 am
Grizzly is right :)

1* Sleeping forest - Druid
1* Asyran Steel Swarm - Priest (probably change the name. A.S.S. doesnt sound as cool as i was first thinking)
1* Standard zombie build - Necro

It has been too much Warlord latly :)
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Wildhorn on October 07, 2014, 06:01:29 am

Generally, when we don't comment on something it is because we have nothing new to say. Right now PVS is in this boat. I can guarantee you that the moment we can say something we will.

I can guarantee you that the "We do not say anything if we have nothing to say" attitude is a very bad habit many compagnies get but a "we do not have anything to say but we did not forget you" or a "we have nothing to show you yet but are working hard to give you an awesome spoiler in a soon-or-not futur" is a way better answer than silence.
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Laddinfance on October 07, 2014, 08:23:01 am

Generally, when we don't comment on something it is because we have nothing new to say. Right now PVS is in this boat. I can guarantee you that the moment we can say something we will.

I can guarantee you that the "We do not say anything if we have nothing to say" attitude is a very bad habit many compagnies get but a "we do not have anything to say but we did not forget you" or a "we have nothing to show you yet but are working hard to give you an awesome spoiler in a soon-or-not futur" is a way better answer than silence.

This is part of why I spoke up. I wanted everyone to know that AW is working on it, but right now we don't have anything to say. The moment that changes, we will be excited to let everyone know. In fact in my last post I believe I led off with we did not forget you.

Regardless, your concern and all of your responses show us just how much our fans care about Mage Wars, and that is quite an uplifting thing. We will endeavor to rise to that occasion. Thanks everyone!
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Wildhorn on October 07, 2014, 08:57:09 am
I know. Was just talking in general.

Btw Laddin i sent you a message, don't know if you got time to read it?
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Wildhorn on October 20, 2014, 02:47:21 pm
2 more weeks passed...
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: isel on October 24, 2014, 02:59:44 pm
ITīTIMEEEEE LADDINFANCE!!!!! WE NEEED THEM!!!, IīM VERY VERY ANGRY, ITīS THE END OF OCTOBER, ITīS MY BIRTHAY AND I DONīT SEE ANYTHING OF MY NEXT GIFT!!!!.....YOU CAN STOP MY ANGRY!!! DO IT!!!

But please....donīt banned me ! please xdXd

i hope weīll see a fantastic work soon.

SEE you!!!

PD: yes, im boring!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
PD2: For the wait i hope weīll see one cheap and fantastic vine creature.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Boocheck on October 24, 2014, 03:25:22 pm
Mr. Isel,

PvS spoilers will be out, when everything will be ready to launch. You wouldnt be happy if you get something, which would not be top quality and satisfy your gaming needs.

Patience is a virtue of a real man ;)
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Laddinfance on October 24, 2014, 04:08:52 pm
ITīTIMEEEEE LADDINFANCE!!!!! WE NEEED THEM!!!, IīM VERY VERY ANGRY, ITīS THE END OF OCTOBER, ITīS MY BIRTHAY AND I DONīT SEE ANYTHING OF MY NEXT GIFT!!!!.....YOU CAN STOP MY ANGRY!!! DO IT!!!

But please....donīt banned me ! please xdXd

i hope weīll see a fantastic work soon.

SEE you!!!

PD: yes, im boring!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
PD2: For the wait i hope weīll see one cheap and fantastic vine creature.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I'm working on some new plant creatures. Hopefully one of them will meet your muster. We will probably have previews of the cards in Battlegrounds before we have PVS spoilers up.
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Icarus on October 24, 2014, 05:26:13 pm
From the DFW Nerd Night video, it sounded like they said that this expansion would come after Domination, and Domination would be out in March-April next year.

The anticipation is killing me.
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: V10lentray on October 25, 2014, 04:33:06 pm
If i recall that podcast correctly, Battlegrounds is slated for March/April. After Battlegrounds would be MW Academy. Then PvS would be out after Academy. So we have 8 months to a years before PvS, but there will be 2 new MW products before PvS.

and each of those Products will be able to be used with the Current MW game.

So calm down, and Play more mage wars.

Personally i am super excited about Academy because i believe that is going to be the product to hook Magic the Gathering players, and convert them to Mage Wars players.
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Icarus on October 25, 2014, 05:00:19 pm
I can't complain. Another X vs. Y expansion is great and all, but I'd rather them put out these variants first; they're more exciting (to me). Plus, as you said, hooking more players is always good.

I just found it a bit odd because, as I recall, PvS was supposed to be the next release.
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Boocheck on October 26, 2014, 01:52:53 am
Now i am double confused :)

I lived in a impression, that Battlegrounds will be out this year, Academy next year around march and between it, PvS :)

Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Sailor Vulcan on October 26, 2014, 09:33:00 am
That's what I thought too.
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: V10lentray on October 26, 2014, 01:53:30 pm
the spell book builder/ life tracker app is supposed to be out by the end of this year.

Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Lord0fWinter on October 26, 2014, 03:37:42 pm
In the DFW Nerd Night video, they said Academy is slated for March/April of next year, and that Battlegrounds should be out before that.
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: zorro on October 27, 2014, 04:13:29 am
An image form that video:

(http://www.use.com/media/2014/1023/4102493/p_001.jpg?1)

Paladin, holly creatures, the griffon pegasus... more impressive is the siren, with it's little crab, a level 7-8 'Godzilla', and... a skeleton soldier!?
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: krj on October 27, 2014, 04:34:46 am
i can't see Griffin  on this image. you mean Pegaz?
about this skeleton, I think it was Pirate one day :P
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: zorro on October 27, 2014, 05:17:34 am
Yeah, pegasus, sorry
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: silverclawgrizzly on October 27, 2014, 05:37:11 am
The Paladin does seem to have a new male type of angel. Also the Siren has a mere person which is pretty cool.
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Wildhorn on October 27, 2014, 07:00:39 am
There is also some kind of Murloc and a Shark.

She also seem to have some sort of Forcefield.

The Paladin has an Holy weapon (that promo that gives next attack Etherral?)
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: V10lentray on October 27, 2014, 08:49:44 am
I wonder if we are getting another "royal archer" type of card.
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Maverick on October 27, 2014, 01:40:59 pm
That "LV 7-8 Godzilla" looks like a classic depiction of the Kraken from the movie "Clash of the Titans". If I am right then I am very excited about this upcoming release. Speaking of release I really hope there is a "Release the Kraken" mechanic!
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: chiller087 on November 20, 2014, 02:09:15 pm
That "LV 7-8 Godzilla" looks like a classic depiction of the Kraken from the movie "Clash of the Titans". If I am right then I am very excited about this upcoming release. Speaking of release I really hope there is a "Release the Kraken" mechanic!

If you're right, the rules insert should have a line stipulating that if you pronounce it "Kray-ken," your opponent can immediately table-flip for the win.
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Laddinfance on November 24, 2014, 02:17:06 pm
There may indeed be an intention among the design team to let you all "unleash" a certain something...
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: isel on November 24, 2014, 04:18:05 pm
There may indeed be an intention among the design team to let you all "unleash" a certain something...

Greatttt!!!!!

Oh my god, if itīs a plant i give you a beer!!!
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Laddinfance on November 24, 2014, 04:42:28 pm
There may indeed be an intention among the design team to let you all "unleash" a certain something...

Greatttt!!!!!

Oh my god, if itīs a plant i give you a beer!!!

What kind of beer?

Sadly, I don't think he will be a plant, but I would love to see some sort of killer kelp with the Siren.
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Sailor Vulcan on November 24, 2014, 06:35:20 pm
There may indeed be an intention among the design team to let you all "unleash" a certain something...

Greatttt!!!!!

Oh my god, if itīs a plant i give you a beer!!!

What kind of beer?

Sadly, I don't think he will be a plant, but I would love to see some sort of killer kelp with the Siren.

It's her hair, isn't it?
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: Laddinfance on November 24, 2014, 06:42:59 pm
There may indeed be an intention among the design team to let you all "unleash" a certain something...

Greatttt!!!!!

Oh my god, if itīs a plant i give you a beer!!!

What kind of beer?

Sadly, I don't think he will be a plant, but I would love to see some sort of killer kelp with the Siren.

It's her hair, isn't it?

I think it might be the name of her alternative rock band, where she is the lead singer.
Title: Re: PvS Spoilers So Far
Post by: isel on November 29, 2014, 06:11:20 pm
Where is the surprise? the week itīs ending....