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Title: Modern day blasting banker
Post by: Reddicediaries on January 29, 2017, 02:47:47 PM
If someone was to make a modern day blasting banker, what mage would they use and why?
Title: Re: Modern day blasting banker
Post by: drmambo23 on January 29, 2017, 05:18:07 PM
What mage would you use and why?
Title: Re: Modern day blasting banker
Post by: Reddicediaries on January 29, 2017, 05:37:01 PM
What mage would you use and why?
I do not know yet, still in the thinking process.
Druid, siren, and wizard seems good choices.
Title: Re: Modern day blasting banker
Post by: RomeoXero on January 29, 2017, 06:29:38 PM
Siren and wizard are still the best options. They only pay double at most for any given school. Druid pays triple for war and fire so the cards you need to bank the actions are at a high premium. The wizard is likely still the strongest choice, but i can see a siren with naiya and a boat load of cheap water spells might be able to accomplish the same task
Title: Re: Modern day blasting banker
Post by: Puddnhead on January 29, 2017, 06:37:41 PM
Wizard has Zap and Voltairic Shield.  This alone makes him the optimal choice for saving mana/actions to outlast people.  Forge + Gate + Tower(even nerfed) makes you able to out action very easily.  Mordok's Tome might be a good choice to just have options when learning the book.  Eventually, you'll want to replace it with another wand most likely once you've got your skill up.

I'm still not sure it will survive this new meta.  Ballista is now live and the tower doesn't save the attack spell anymore anyway.  You'll have to bring a lot of positioning spells to deal with Steep Hill and Shallow Sea and that might cut into your toolkit.
Title: Re: Modern day blasting banker
Post by: Reddicediaries on January 29, 2017, 07:08:00 PM
Siren and wizard are still the best options. They only pay double at most for any given school. Druid pays triple for war and fire so the cards you need to bank the actions are at a high premium. The wizard is likely still the strongest choice, but i can see a siren with naiya and a boat load of cheap water spells might be able to accomplish the same task
I can see something like this working

[spellbook]
[spellbookheader]
[spellbookname]Siren Blasting Banker![/spellbookname]
[mage]A Siren Spellbook[/mage]
[mage]built by the OCTGN SBB[/mage]
[/spellbookheader]
[spells]
[spellclass]Attack[/spellclass]
[mwcard=PSA03]2 x Tsunami[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX1CKA01]2 x Surging Wave[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1A04]1 x Fireball[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Conjuration[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1J04]1 x Battle Forge[/mwcard]
[mwcard=PSJ07]2 x Shallow Sea[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1J13]1 x Mana Flower[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1J08]1 x Hand of Bim-Shalla[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Creature[/spellclass]
[mwcard=PSC19]1 x Naiya[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Enchantment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1E21]2 x Hawkeye[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX2FFE07]1 x Rust[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E36]3 x Rhino Hide[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E12]1 x Divine Protection[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E29]3 x Nullify[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX1CKE04]3 x Enchantment Transfusion[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E31]1 x Poisoned Blood[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E24]1 x Magebane[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX2FFE02]1 x Akiro's Favor[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Equipment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=PSQ09]1 x Ring of Tides[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q08]1 x Elemental Wand[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q19]3 x Mage Wand[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ09]2 x Wand of Healing[/mwcard]
[mwcard=PSQ05]3 x Leviathan Scale Armor[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q07]1 x Elemental Cloak[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWA01Q04]1 x Leather Chausses[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q15]1 x Leather Boots[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ07]2 x Veteran's Belt[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Incantation[/spellclass]
[mwcard=PSI01]6 x Dissolve[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWI13]3 x Seeking Dispel[/mwcard]
[mwcard=PSI02]6 x Dispel[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1I28]2 x Teleport[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWI12]1 x Minor Heal[/mwcard]
[/spells]
[cost]Total cost: 120 pts[/cost]
[/spellbook]


[spellbook]
[spellbookheader]
[spellbookname]Blasting Banker Air![/spellbookname]
[mage]A Wizard (Air) Spellbook[/mage]
[mage]built by the OCTGN SBB[/mage]
[/spellbookheader]
[spells]
[spellclass]Attack[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1A07]3 x Lightning Bolt[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWA01]2 x Arc Lightning[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX1CKA01]1 x Surging Wave[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Conjuration[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1J04]2 x Battle Forge[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1J08]1 x Hand of Bim-Shalla[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1J14]1 x Mana Syphon[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1J12]1 x Mana Crystal[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1J16]1 x Mordok's Obelisk[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Enchantment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1E36]3 x Rhino Hide[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E32]2 x Regrowth[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E12]1 x Divine Protection[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E17]1 x Force Orb[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E29]5 x Nullify[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX1CKE04]3 x Enchantment Transfusion[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E21]2 x Hawkeye[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E31]1 x Poisoned Blood[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Equipment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1Q06]4 x Dragonscale Hauberk[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q08]1 x Elemental Wand[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q19]3 x Mage Wand[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ09]2 x Wand of Healing[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ07]2 x Veteran's Belt[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWA01Q04]1 x Leather Chausses[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q16]1 x Leather Gloves[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX1CKQ06]1 x Eagleclaw Boots[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWQ01]1 x Dancing Scimitar[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q22]1 x Moonglow Amulet[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q32]2 x Suppression Cloak[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q17]1 x Lightning Ring[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Incantation[/spellclass]
[mwcard=PSI02]6 x Dispel[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWI13]4 x Seeking Dispel[/mwcard]
[mwcard=PSI01]6 x Dissolve[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1I28]2 x Teleport[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWI12]1 x Minor Heal[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Creature[/spellclass]
[/spells]
[cost]Total cost: 120 pts[/cost]
[/spellbook]

TBH, not sure i want the lightning might swap with fire.
Title: Re: Modern day blasting banker
Post by: Sailor Vulcan on January 29, 2017, 10:58:43 PM
Why not use a warlord? Helm of command, lots of armor, gurmash, hurl boulders etc.


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Title: Re: Modern day blasting banker
Post by: Reddicediaries on January 29, 2017, 11:07:41 PM
Why not use a warlord? Helm of command, lots of armor, gurmash, hurl boulders etc.


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He has bad acsess to seeking dispel, dispel, teleport. You need max removal with this deck.
Title: Re: Modern day blasting banker
Post by: Biblofilter on January 30, 2017, 01:47:59 AM
Both of these deck has very low damage output.

Especially the Siren deck feels "wrong"

No songs, only 1 in school Elemental Wand, Healings not that great.

Without counting it id bet you could make a better Druid with almost the same cards.

Actually im in the same boat as Sailor. Dwarf should be able to keep his wands and be much better at dealing damage.

Its much easier for Wizard to bank mana - use arcane ring/zap, put armor on your mage, remove all armor and stuff on the enemy mage - then throw 3 Fireballs or something like that at em.

Some of these games might take forever :(

I donīt mind a 6 hour game now and then, but imagine 2 tanks vs each other?

Usually they just agree on a draw after 5+ hours, so the 10+ hour game are very rare.

You could do some horrific thing with holy as well.

I do like long games, but..
Title: Re: Modern day blasting banker
Post by: Reddicediaries on January 30, 2017, 08:39:25 AM
Both of these deck has very low damage output.

Especially the Siren deck feels "wrong"

No songs, only 1 in school Elemental Wand, Healings not that great.

Without counting it id bet you could make a better Druid with almost the same cards.

Actually im in the same boat as Sailor. Dwarf should be able to keep his wands and be much better at dealing damage.

Its much easier for Wizard to bank mana - use arcane ring/zap, put armor on your mage, remove all armor and stuff on the enemy mage - then throw 3 Fireballs or something like that at em.

Some of these games might take forever :(

I donīt mind a 6 hour game now and then, but imagine 2 tanks vs each other?

Usually they just agree on a draw after 5+ hours, so the 10+ hour game are very rare.

You could do some horrific thing with holy as well.

I do like long games, but..
Warlord may give you a tanking option, but it can no do what the banker does. The banker needs max dispels and lots of teleports. Also, he uses curses and or banked enchantments to gain mana. That doesńt work as well with warlord. He may be a great tank, but not for the Blasting Banker IMO.
Title: Re: Modern day blasting banker
Post by: Biblofilter on January 30, 2017, 10:19:49 AM
If you cant remove his wands he has unlimited Incantations spells.

Title: Re: Modern day blasting banker
Post by: iNano78 on January 30, 2017, 10:38:55 AM
If you cant remove his wands he has unlimited Incantations spells.

Are you thinking [mwcard=MWSTX1CKQ05]Dispel Wand[/mwcard] in one hand and [mwcard=MW1Q19]Mage Wand[/mwcard] of [mwcard=MW1I07]Dissolve[/mwcard] in the other? Or just the Mage Wand of Dissolving in one hand and [mwcard=MW1Q08]Elemental Wand[/mwcard] for an attack spell from the toolbox, with [mwcard=MWSTX2FFJ01]Harshforge Monolith[/mwcard] and maybe [mwcard=MWSTX2FFE03]Arcane Corruption[/mwcard] to take care of enchantments?

I feel like Adramelech Warlock might be good, especially with Demonhide Mask giving the enemy Flame +1 might be a good idea... but kind of specializes in Flame.
Title: Re: Modern day blasting banker
Post by: Puddnhead on January 30, 2017, 10:46:36 AM
If you cant remove his wands he has unlimited Incantations spells.

Are you thinking [mwcard=MWSTX1CKQ05]Dispel Wand[/mwcard] in one hand and [mwcard=MW1Q19]Mage Wand[/mwcard] of [mwcard=MW1I07]Dissolve[/mwcard] in the other? Or just the Mage Wand of Dissolving in one hand and [mwcard=MW1Q08]Elemental Wand[/mwcard] for an attack spell from the toolbox, with [mwcard=MWSTX2FFJ01]Harshforge Monolith[/mwcard] and maybe [mwcard=MWSTX2FFE03]Arcane Corruption[/mwcard] to take care of enchantments?

I feel like Adramelech Warlock might be good, especially with Demonhide Mask giving the enemy Flame +1 might be a good idea... but kind of specializes in Flame.

Champion's Gauntlets make your hand slot items indestructible.   You can easily carry 4+ of these and deploy them from your Battle Forge.  Mage Wand can have Rune of Reforging on it (cantrip) and you can equip yourself with Harshforge Plate...and Armor Ward.

This means:
It costs 10 mana to Dissolve the Gauntlets (at range 1) and an additional 13 mana to Dissolve the Mage Wand....which will go back into the spellbook instead of actually being destroyed.  Both of these things must be done on the SAME turn or you will just Deploy more gauntlets the next turn.  Sounds like you only need 1-2 Teleport and Dispel to be effective here.
Title: Re: Modern day blasting banker
Post by: Reddicediaries on January 30, 2017, 11:15:09 AM
If you cant remove his wands he has unlimited Incantations spells.

Are you thinking [mwcard=MWSTX1CKQ05]Dispel Wand[/mwcard] in one hand and [mwcard=MW1Q19]Mage Wand[/mwcard] of [mwcard=MW1I07]Dissolve[/mwcard] in the other? Or just the Mage Wand of Dissolving in one hand and [mwcard=MW1Q08]Elemental Wand[/mwcard] for an attack spell from the toolbox, with [mwcard=MWSTX2FFJ01]Harshforge Monolith[/mwcard] and maybe [mwcard=MWSTX2FFE03]Arcane Corruption[/mwcard] to take care of enchantments?

I feel like Adramelech Warlock might be good, especially with Demonhide Mask giving the enemy Flame +1 might be a good idea... but kind of specializes in Flame.

Champion's Gauntlets make your hand slot items indestructible.   You can easily carry 4+ of these and deploy them from your Battle Forge.  Mage Wand can have Rune of Reforging on it (cantrip) and you can equip yourself with Harshforge Plate...and Armor Ward.

This means:
It costs 10 mana to Dissolve the Gauntlets (at range 1) and an additional 13 mana to Dissolve the Mage Wand....which will go back into the spellbook instead of actually being destroyed.  Both of these things must be done on the SAME turn or you will just Deploy more gauntlets the next turn.  Sounds like you only need 1-2 Teleport and Dispel to be effective here.
As warlord, you can not include many nullifies or transfusion, both key parts of the banker.
Title: Re: Modern day blasting banker
Post by: drmambo23 on January 30, 2017, 01:41:20 PM
If you cant remove his wands he has unlimited Incantations spells.

Are you thinking [mwcard=MWSTX1CKQ05]Dispel Wand[/mwcard] in one hand and [mwcard=MW1Q19]Mage Wand[/mwcard] of [mwcard=MW1I07]Dissolve[/mwcard] in the other? Or just the Mage Wand of Dissolving in one hand and [mwcard=MW1Q08]Elemental Wand[/mwcard] for an attack spell from the toolbox, with [mwcard=MWSTX2FFJ01]Harshforge Monolith[/mwcard] and maybe [mwcard=MWSTX2FFE03]Arcane Corruption[/mwcard] to take care of enchantments?

I feel like Adramelech Warlock might be good, especially with Demonhide Mask giving the enemy Flame +1 might be a good idea... but kind of specializes in Flame.

Champion's Gauntlets make your hand slot items indestructible.   You can easily carry 4+ of these and deploy them from your Battle Forge.  Mage Wand can have Rune of Reforging on it (cantrip) and you can equip yourself with Harshforge Plate...and Armor Ward.

This means:
It costs 10 mana to Dissolve the Gauntlets (at range 1) and an additional 13 mana to Dissolve the Mage Wand....which will go back into the spellbook instead of actually being destroyed.  Both of these things must be done on the SAME turn or you will just Deploy more gauntlets the next turn.  Sounds like you only need 1-2 Teleport and Dispel to be effective here.
As warlord, you can not include many nullifies or transfusion, both key parts of the banker.

You can put 6 of each in as a warlord if you wish. Sbp might be high but its there to do if you want. There are also cheaper alternatives that work similarly but not the same like shift ench and arcane ward.
Title: Re: Modern day blasting banker
Post by: bigfatchef on January 30, 2017, 01:49:09 PM
If you cant remove his wands he has unlimited Incantations spells.

Are you thinking [mwcard=MWSTX1CKQ05]Dispel Wand[/mwcard] in one hand and [mwcard=MW1Q19]Mage Wand[/mwcard] of [mwcard=MW1I07]Dissolve[/mwcard] in the other? Or just the Mage Wand of Dissolving in one hand and [mwcard=MW1Q08]Elemental Wand[/mwcard] for an attack spell from the toolbox, with [mwcard=MWSTX2FFJ01]Harshforge Monolith[/mwcard] and maybe [mwcard=MWSTX2FFE03]Arcane Corruption[/mwcard] to take care of enchantments?

I feel like Adramelech Warlock might be good, especially with Demonhide Mask giving the enemy Flame +1 might be a good idea... but kind of specializes in Flame.

Champion's Gauntlets make your hand slot items indestructible.   You can easily carry 4+ of these and deploy them from your Battle Forge.  Mage Wand can have Rune of Reforging on it (cantrip) and you can equip yourself with Harshforge Plate...and Armor Ward.

This means:
It costs 10 mana to Dissolve the Gauntlets (at range 1) and an additional 13 mana to Dissolve the Mage Wand....which will go back into the spellbook instead of actually being destroyed.  Both of these things must be done on the SAME turn or you will just Deploy more gauntlets the next turn.  Sounds like you only need 1-2 Teleport and Dispel to be effective here.
Instead of 10 mana you can also pay 1 (level) +2 (additional for harshforge plate) and disarm those gautlets then dissolve the wand. That is much cheaper if you want to get rid of a wand. But it remains a bad deal and if the wand is cantrip that's even worse.
Title: Re: Modern day blasting banker
Post by: Beldin on February 01, 2017, 06:41:32 PM
Hmm this is interesting. I wonder if druid might not be a bad choice after all. water at x1 cost and channel 10.
Title: Re: Modern day blasting banker
Post by: Knabbmaster on February 14, 2017, 07:56:56 AM
I don't think it is a good idea trying to run the other player out of cards as a win condition without playing alot of creatures. The reason for that is battle forge is in the game and what the card allows is to:

either wait for the opponent to spend both their actions, play mage wand, dissolve one of their equipment, during deplyment get some other wand on the same slot from the forge, returning mage wand to your spellbook and repeat.

Or have a nullify on your mage and wait for them to spend one action and do the same thing just mentioned.

Because of this battle forge needs to be destroyed in order to win the "wand game". By protecting their battle forge with maybe 3-4 guardian angels your opponents will get to much use of it before you killed all the angels. In order to keep people from doing this you need board control and thus creatures.