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Re: Druid deck with Fellella (in development)
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2014, 11:29:29 AM »
Thanks for your input again. Re-reading my last post I think I sounded a bit rude here and there, which wasn't my intention - sry for that.  :)

@ Sleep cost

I only re-added the 1 mana you substracted because I think the substraction is not justified.
Yes, there is 1 mana on the VTree, which makes the Lotus "cheaper". Phrased in another way: It is a mana
which you do not have to pay from your mage's mana pool.
BUT I think that the distinction between spawnpoint mana and mage mana does not justify a substraction because if I hadn't cast a spawnpoint, I would have cast a mana flower/crystal earlier (the 1 mana on the VTree would be in my pool then). A spawn point is nothing else than a flower/crystal with the price of restricted mana usage for an extra ability (like an action).
I have to admit though that there is my underlying assumption that if you do not cast a spawnpoint you cast a crystal/flower at that time - otherwise you are totally right.

Your examples of Sleep + Teleport / Quicksand and comparison to the target creature cost are quite convincing, I have to say. Especially the Sleep+Quicksand combo is shockingly evil  :o
I am still not sure about the cost of Lotus vs. Sleep ... I admit that I like it cheap and I feel that ~3 mana is a significant difference. I will re-add the Lotus though - just to have the possibility to test them more.

@Harmonize with Shift intention

I see your point.
At the moment, changing this would have a concrete effect though :

Shift intention :
1. Fellella + Harmo
2. VTree + Harmo (Fellella) + Mage movement

Direct onto Mage :
1. VTree + Harmo
2. Fellella + Harmo (hidden!) onto Mage
-> no movement left as Fellella's action is missing, Harmo#2 not active

I like the option of going a bit aggro early for which I want to have the mage's movement. So for the moment I'd like to keep it this way.

EDIT : OHH WAIT ... I could do the following :
1. VTree + Mana Flower + Move
2. Fellella + Harmo on Vtree
That's actually an improvement.

@ few vines
Yes, I am amused by that too.
I have not been in a situation though where I missed a vine / had nothing to do for my VTree.
4 Raptors and 3 Tanglevine alone cover 7 actions which are almost guaranteed to be used.
I do have the intention of re-adding Kralathor, which would be +1 :)
I'd also like to add a LoS-blocking wall to prevent a WizTower from fireballing my VTree but the vine wall sadly doesn't have LoS.
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Re: Druid deck with Fellella (in development)
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2014, 12:39:49 PM »
Thanks for your input again. Re-reading my last post I think I sounded a bit rude here and there, which wasn't my intention - sry for that.  :)

It's fine. I'm sure I've come off rude more than once.

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@ Sleep cost

I only re-added the 1 mana you substracted because I think the substraction is not justified.
Yes, there is 1 mana on the VTree, which makes the Lotus "cheaper". Phrased in another way: It is a mana
which you do not have to pay from your mage's mana pool.
BUT I think that the distinction between spawnpoint mana and mage mana does not justify a substraction because if I hadn't cast a spawnpoint, I would have cast a mana flower/crystal earlier (the 1 mana on the VTree would be in my pool then). A spawn point is nothing else than a flower/crystal with the price of restricted mana usage for an extra ability (like an action).
I have to admit though that there is my underlying assumption that if you do not cast a spawnpoint you cast a crystal/flower at that time - otherwise you are totally right.

Because of Treebond, it doesn't make sense to cast a Mana Flower before Vine Tree. It costs 4 mana more than the Flower, but it makes 2 mana per turn as opposed to 1 (1 on you and 1 on itself). If you'd cast the Flower instead of the Tree, you'd still have the same +1 Channeling, but you'd lack the mana on the spawnpoint.

Your examples of Sleep + Teleport / Quicksand and comparison to the target creature cost are quite convincing, I have to say. Especially the Sleep+Quicksand combo is shockingly evil  :o
I am still not sure about the cost of Lotus vs. Sleep ... I admit that I like it cheap and I feel that ~3 mana is a significant difference. I will re-add the Lotus though - just to have the possibility to test them more.

@Harmonize with Shift intention

I see your point.
At the moment, changing this would have a concrete effect though :

Shift intention :
1. Fellella + Harmo
2. VTree + Harmo (Fellella) + Mage movement

Direct onto Mage :
1. VTree + Harmo
2. Fellella + Harmo (hidden!) onto Mage
-> no movement left as Fellella's action is missing, Harmo#2 not active

I do like the option of going a bit aggro early though for which I want to have the mage's movement. So for the moment I'd like to keep it this way.

@ few vines
Yes, I am amused by that too.
I have not been in a situation though where I missed a vine / had nothing to do for my VTree.
4 Raptors and 3 Tanglevine alone cover 7 actions which are almost guaranteed to be used.
(Our games usually last ~10 turns -  maybe a few more)
I do have the intention of re-adding Kralathor, which would be +1 :)
I'd also like to add a LoS-blocking wall to prevent a WizTower from fireballing my VTree but the vine wall sadly doesn't have LoS.
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Re: Druid deck with Fellella (in development)
« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2014, 12:52:34 PM »

Current start:
1. VineTree + Move + Mana Flower
(2. Fellella + Harmo on tree )

---  Attack  ---
2 Force Hammer
3 Acid Ball
1 Surging Wave

---  Conjuration  ---
1 Vine Tree
3 Tanglevine
1 Corrosive Orchid
1 Enchanter's Wardstone
1 Mana Flower
1 Nightshade Lotus
1 Wall of Thorns

---  Creature  ---
1 Fellella, Pixie Familiar
4 Raptor Vine
1 Tarok, the Skyhunter
2 Thunderift Falcon
1 Guardian Angel
1 Kralathor, The Devourer

---  Enchantment  ---
1 Harmonize
2 Rhino Hide
4 Bear Strength
1 Mongoose Agility
2 Decoy
2 Falcon Precision
1 Barkskin
1 Bull Endurance
2 Retaliate
1 Regrowth

---  Equipment  ---
1 Elemental Cloak
1 Mage Staff
1 Dragonscale Hauberk
1 Wand of Healing
1 Elemental Wand

---  Incantation  ---
4 Dispel
4 Dissolve
3 Rouse the Beast
1 Shift Enchantment
1 Teleport
2 Burst of Thorns
1 Seeking Dispel
2 Force Push
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Re: Druid deck with Fellella (in development)
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2014, 02:09:00 PM »
I am wondering what to do against the Devouring Jelly - apart from running away.
Playing the Druid against a Gate+Jelly Wizard atm and the Jellys really give me a headache.
So desperate that (for testing purposes) I even included 2 Screech Harpy for their "critical" attack - with Bear Strength it's 3 dice. Apart from being a too expensive and rather artificial try even this doesn't seem to be enough.
Just wondering what to do against a Wizard who simply spams Jellys via the Gate.
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Re: Druid deck with Fellella (in development)
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2014, 02:16:15 PM »
Screech harpy's critical attack is psychic, so it has no effect on the Jelly.

Also, it is ranged, so you cannot buff it with Bear Strength (Hawkeye would work, though).

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Re: Druid deck with Fellella (in development)
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2014, 02:53:41 PM »
Screech harpy's critical attack is psychic
Args, I hate the Jelly. Thx for the clarification  :)
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Re: Druid deck with Fellella (in development)
« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2014, 10:48:12 AM »
Gladly, since my last post I have been able to play about ~20 RL games.
Sadly, Fellella isn't in the spellbook anymore.
Druid became more and more aggro is now a brutal super aggro build  :P - and kicks ass.
Had a nice session yesterday and just want to go through the deck again and check what I feel is good and where I am unsure why it is in (=?)

Start atm is :
1.   VTree + Move up + Battleforge in NC
2.   Double move to FC + Magebane on opponent + Forge equips +1 Melee
3.   ?

---  Attack  ---
2 Force Hammer         finisher direct damage
3 Acid Ball            anti-armor
1 Surging Wave         ?

---  Conjuration  ---
1 Vine Tree         long range raptor caster
2 Tanglevine         anti-guard
1 Corrosive Orchid      situational   
1 Nightshade Lotus      situational
2 Wall of Thorns         direct damage with force push
1 Battle Forge         free equipment action

---  Creature  ---
3 Raptor Vine         main creature support
1 Tarok, the Skyhunter   ?
1 Guardian Angel      (never casted him but feels comforting to have him in)
1 Kralathor, The Devourer   ?
1 Thornlasher         ? situational   

---  Enchantment  ---
2 Rhino Hide         probably 1 is enough
3 Bear Strength         damage
1 Mongoose Agility      anti-guard
1 Falcon Precision      anti-def
1 Barkskin            ? upkeep heavy, normal regen is ok, armor usually sufficient
1 Bull Endurance      ?
1 Magebane         fixed damage, pressure
1 Ghoul Rot         fixed damage, pressure
1 Poisoned Blood      anti-heal
1 Jinx            mess with opponents planning, would like to include more



---  Equipment  ---
1 Mage Staff         reach, ethereal
1 Dragonscale Hauberk   armor, vs fire
1 Wand of Healing      anti-condition
1 Leather Gloves      cheap armor
1 Leather Boots         cheap armor
1 Dancing Scimitar      damage (maybe def)
1 Regrowth Belt         heal

---  Incantation  ---
3 Dispel            
1 Seeking Dispel
4 Dissolve            2 is probably enough
2 Rouse the Beast      situational speed up
1 Teleport            anti-guard, situational
1 Burst of Thorns      ?
         
4 Force Push         anti-guard + wall of thorns threat
2 Battle Fury         damage

If the opponent is careless you can probably cast a R3 thorns+push, but probably spending the mana on permanent threats might be a better decision. Anyway I expect to start calculating killing blows around R6/R7.
Usually, the Druid and a Raptor are the only paticipants but attacking (with the help of teleports and pushes) + ghoul rot, magebane pressure should quickly deal enough damage so that a Force Hammer QC or a Thorns+Push combo could become a serious killing threat.

Feel free to comment. I have some ideas on how to improve/modify stuff but would like to know what you think.
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Re: Druid deck with Fellella (in development)
« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2014, 04:29:48 PM »
Ok, so I started with a Fellella in my spellbook but she got discarded quite some time ago and the spellbook got more and more aggro. Still my main deck and I simply want to share it.  8)
Any ideas / experience / comments on Aggro Druids are welcome.

[spellbook]
[spellbookheader]
[spellbookname]Aggro Druid[/spellbookname]
[mage]A Druid Spellbook[/mage]
[mage]built by the OCTGN SBB[/mage]
[/spellbookheader]
[spells]
[spellclass]Attack[/spellclass]
[mwcard=FWA02]2 x Force Hammer[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNA01]2 x Acid Ball[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1A13]1 x Thunderbolt[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Conjuration[/spellclass]
[mwcard=DNJ12]1 x Vine Tree[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNJ11]2 x Tanglevine[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNJ02]1 x Corrosive Orchid[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNJ06]1 x Nightshade Lotus[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1W04]2 x Wall of Thorns[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1J04]1 x Battle Forge[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Creature[/spellclass]
[mwcard=DNC10]3 x Raptor Vine[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1C36]1 x Tarok, the Skyhunter[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC21]1 x Thornlasher[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1C07]1 x Cervere, The Forest Shadow[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Enchantment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1E36]1 x Rhino Hide[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E01]2 x Bear Strength[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E28]2 x Mongoose Agility[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWE03]1 x Falcon Precision[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNE01]1 x Barkskin[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E03]1 x Bull Endurance[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E24]1 x Magebane[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E19]1 x Ghoul Rot[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E31]1 x Poisoned Blood[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E23]1 x Jinx[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E29]1 x Nullify[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E32]1 x Regrowth[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Equipment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1Q18]1 x Mage Staff[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ09]1 x Wand of Healing[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q16]1 x Leather Gloves[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q15]1 x Leather Boots[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWQ01]1 x Dancing Scimitar[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q23]1 x Regrowth Belt[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q11]1 x Gauntlets of Strength[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q07]1 x Elemental Cloak[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ07]1 x Veterans Belt[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Incantation[/spellclass]
[mwcard=FWI11]3 x Dispel[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWI16]4 x Dissolve[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1I23]2 x Rouse the Beast[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1I28]1 x Teleport[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNI02]1 x Burst of Thorns[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1I24]1 x Seeking Dispel[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1I12]4 x Force Push[/mwcard]
[/spells]
[cost]Total cost: 119 pts[/cost]
[/spellbook]

Start:

Round1 - prepared hand : Tree, Battleforge
1. Move up, QC Tree to Home Area
2. QC Battleforge to NC

Round2 - prepared hand : Mageband, Nullify
1. double move to FC
2. if opponent's mage has a hidden ench on him : cast Nullify on him
   if he doesn't cast Magebane

Round3 - prepared hand : Cervere, ? (Ghoul Rot)
1. cast Cervere
2. cast Ghoul Rot on opponent's mage

---

current notes:

1. Dissolve vs Acid Ball
Is acid ball only good vs. 1 armor ?
It's annoying to try to set up a wall+push and fail 2 corrode

2. Transition from opp. initiative to own initiative.
How to prep a wall+push ?

full action involves check for Nullify or Armor removal
qc end of opp : wall
qc start of won : push

3. good spells to remove/check for nullify
nullify
jinx

seeking dispel reserved for non-nullify spells
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Re: Druid deck with Fellella (in development)
« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2014, 05:24:47 PM »
Try to squiz in 2 bobcat/tataree (lowest hp level 1 nature creature) to feed Kralathor's to make him grow quicker.

Tataree cost 1 more mana but has the advantage to have 1 less hp and be quick cast.