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I have been testing different books against last years Gencon winner; Weighted Training Clothes Wizard.

Somebody told me the book is no longer legal? Is this true, and if so why?

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Re: Weighted Training Clothes Wizard - Gencon 2015 Winner - Still Legal?
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2016, 08:39:30 AM »
On the arcane wonders website, they posted and eratta to the wizard and his tower.
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Re: Weighted Training Clothes Wizard - Gencon 2015 Winner - Still Legal?
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2016, 09:02:33 AM »
The short answer is no it is not legal. Wizards are trained only in Arcane and Air. As last years winner was a Water Wizard it would not be legal under current rules.
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Re: Weighted Training Clothes Wizard - Gencon 2015 Winner - Still Legal?
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2016, 09:16:23 AM »
Yet, if you are having fun and your friends/opponents too, you can just ingore that :)

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Re: Weighted Training Clothes Wizard - Gencon 2015 Winner - Still Legal?
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2016, 12:12:48 PM »
To make the book legak you simply have to take out one wizard tower to just have one and look up the spellpoints needed when trained in air. I guess you don't even need more attack spells (now that the tower looses the spells you need more) cause you already run a lot.
The second tower saves you some points and maybe that's already enough to get back to 120.

And yes, if you are not playing a serious tournament .... Just ignore it and have fun.

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Re: Weighted Training Clothes Wizard - Gencon 2015 Winner - Still Legal?
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2016, 04:02:06 PM »
[spellbook]
[spellbookheader]
[spellbookname]WTC Air Wizard changes[/spellbookname]
[mage]Wizard (Air)[/mage]
[/spellbookheader]
[spells]
[spellclass]Attack[/spellclass]
[mwcard=DNA01]2 x  Acid Ball[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWA04]1 x  Hurl Boulder[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1a04]1 x  Fireball[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1a07]2 x  Lightning Bolt[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1a06]2 x  Flameblast[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX1CKA01]2 x  Surging Wave[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWA05]1 x  Invisible Fist[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1a09]2 x  Jet Stream[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWA01]2 x  Arc Lightning[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Conjuration[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1j12]3 x  Mana Crystal[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1j07]1 x  Gate to Voltari[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX1CKJ02]2 x  Wizard's Tower[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Creature[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1c05]4 x  Blue Gremlin[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX1CKC08]2 x  Gargoyle Sentry[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1c21]1 x  Huginn, Raven Familiar[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC03]2 x  Devouring Jelly[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Enchantment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1e23]6 x  Jinx[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e29]3 x  Nullify[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e20]1 x  Harmonize[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e21]1 x  Hawkeye[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e36]3 x  Rhino Hide[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX2FFE04]1 x  Brace Yourself[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Equipment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1q07]1 x  Elemental Cloak[/mwcard]

I made a version that should be legal.

This seems weaker that WTC, but not that much. Its only 115 points so room for a few spells.

First you should answer if this is for a 75 min tourney book or not?

I took out a lot of Water spells - 3 Acid Ball and 1 Dissolve added a second Jelly instead.
Changed Rock Attack for Air Attack - Fewer dice, but more and better effects.

A little bit worse vs. Fire and some rarely used spells I removed (Remove magic, Mana Prism)

Should still play and feel the same I hope.


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Re: Weighted Training Clothes Wizard - Gencon 2015 Winner - Still Legal?
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2016, 06:01:54 PM »
[spellbook]
[spellbookheader]
[spellbookname]WTC Air Wizard changes[/spellbookname]
[mage]Wizard (Air)[/mage]
[/spellbookheader]
[spells]
[spellclass]Attack[/spellclass]
[mwcard=DNA01]2 x  Acid Ball[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWA04]1 x  Hurl Boulder[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1a04]1 x  Fireball[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1a07]2 x  Lightning Bolt[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1a06]2 x  Flameblast[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX1CKA01]2 x  Surging Wave[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWA05]1 x  Invisible Fist[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1a09]2 x  Jet Stream[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWA01]2 x  Arc Lightning[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Conjuration[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1j12]3 x  Mana Crystal[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1j07]1 x  Gate to Voltari[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX1CKJ02]2 x  Wizard's Tower[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Creature[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1c05]4 x  Blue Gremlin[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX1CKC08]2 x  Gargoyle Sentry[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1c21]1 x  Huginn, Raven Familiar[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC03]2 x  Devouring Jelly[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Enchantment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1e23]6 x  Jinx[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e29]3 x  Nullify[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e20]1 x  Harmonize[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e21]1 x  Hawkeye[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e36]3 x  Rhino Hide[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX2FFE04]1 x  Brace Yourself[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Equipment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1q07]1 x  Elemental Cloak[/mwcard]

I made a version that should be legal.

This seems weaker that WTC, but not that much. Its only 115 points so room for a few spells.

First you should answer if this is for a 75 min tourney book or not?

I took out a lot of Water spells - 3 Acid Ball and 1 Dissolve added a second Jelly instead.
Changed Rock Attack for Air Attack - Fewer dice, but more and better effects.

A little bit worse vs. Fire and some rarely used spells I removed (Remove magic, Mana Prism)

Should still play and feel the same I hope.

.... Still 2 Wizards Towers in it. Not legal yet xD

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Re: Weighted Training Clothes Wizard - Gencon 2015 Winner - Still Legal?
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2016, 06:16:21 PM »
You can run 2 Wizard Towers, just not play them at the same time
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Re: Weighted Training Clothes Wizard - Gencon 2015 Winner - Still Legal?
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2016, 06:18:44 PM »
And I messed up - a lot of equipment seem to missing :(

Going to give it another look later.

2nd Wizard Tower stays, with all those attack spells..


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Re: Weighted Training Clothes Wizard - Gencon 2015 Winner - Still Legal?
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2016, 06:30:44 PM »
You can run 2 Wizard Towers, just not play them at the same time
Damn I always get confused between legendary, unique and epic :(
I completely misunderstood the tower errata then. Very good to know! Sometimes I think there are too many words to know exactly...

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Re: Weighted Training Clothes Wizard - Gencon 2015 Winner - Still Legal?
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2016, 02:28:31 AM »
To make the book legak you simply have to take out one wizard tower to just have one and look up the spellpoints needed when trained in air. I guess you don't even need more attack spells (now that the tower looses the spells you need more) cause you already run a lot.
I don't think the spellbook can be made legal and still be good. It relied on requiring only a single copy of the big attack spells. You simply no longer have enough spell points for that. Especially since you now have to specialize in air.

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Re: Weighted Training Clothes Wizard - Gencon 2015 Winner - Still Legal?
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2016, 08:40:17 AM »
I have to agree with Jhaelen.  Wizard just does not play like this anymore. I think the tactic of using Jinx is still very strong, and there is a lot of ideas to grab from the book.
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